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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 38658 |
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I tried doing such a topic years ago for bands you are not into but it got very negative and side-tracked. Please try to stay on topic. Participate in the exercise or not. For this being detailed as to what you like and what didn't work helps. I thought of this, again, due to the Prog genres you dislike category. I tried to make a Zeuhl recommendation there based on what I think I know of one person's tastes.
Mention a category that you have not enjoyed, try to say something about what did not appeal and what you have tried, and then mention a variety of music that is to your taste. I'll start. I commonly like atmospheric music and I can enjoy quirky music. I like lots of folk and electronic music, lots of soundtrack music, and music with psychedelic qualities. I like chamber rock and chamber music, a lot of art rock and art pop. I like jazzy music, a lot of classical. I also like lounge-y music. I like building crescendos often, I like ambience and nuance often. RIO/Avant, Krautrock, Canterbury Scene, Post-Rock, Prog Folk such as Spirogyra and Comus, Zeuhl, JRF such as Mwandishi Hancock, and Progressive Electronic are some of my favourite categories. Lots I like in Crossove and Eclectic... I like one sin post-metal such as Boris, maudlin of the Well and Neorosis. I love havy psych prog ones like Message and psych like Ghost... These are but some of my favourite acts both in and out of PA: Boards of Canada, Portishead, Fishmans, Swans, Weyes Blood, Beach House, Godspeed You! Black Emperor, Art Zoyd, Magma, The Necks, Can, Stereolab, Radiohead, Dead Can Dance, Pram, Broadcast, Julia Holter, Natural Snow Buildings, Siouxsie and The Banshees, Talk Talk, William D. Drake, Richard Dawson, Peter Hammill, Vanishing Twin, Eskaton, Dun, Cocteau Twins, Kate Bush, Robert Wyatt, David Bowie, Herbie Hancock, Miles Davis, Joy Division, Cos, Air, Tangerine Dream, Ennio Morricone, Kosmisher Laufer, Igor Wakhevitch, Area, Chelsea Wolfe, Anna von Hausswolff, Egisto Macchi, Serge Gainsbourg, The Residents, Cardiacs, Dom, Van der Graaf Generator, Tortoise, Coil, Franco Battiato, King Crimson, Brave New World, Bubu, Kayo Dot, Univers Zero, Henry Cow, National Health, Soft Machine, Clivage... I tend not to enjoy AORish music or kinds of arena rock. I will go with Neo-Prog. My favourite band included in Prog Arhives Neo-Prog category is Duster (although I would not have thought of what I know from that band as Neo-Prog, more space rock revival and Neo-Psych, and slacker with post-rock qualities). Here's a song I love by Duster: Is there any Neo-Prog that one might suggest that I try? If it's post-rockish (don't go very rawkish), that might be a big plus. Note: I don't want posts on finding music for yourself somehow without recommendations or other rabbitholes. That is not constructive for my aims, so don't post such things. Links or embeds to specific music would be helpful (being as specific as possible is encouraged). Hope someone else will have a go at this. Edited by Logan - May 26 2025 at 10:05 |
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 38658 |
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It does not seem to be in PA, but I found one myself that might fit the Neo-Prog kind of music I may be looking for: Echorift - Monolith from 2023. Post-rocky with Neo-prog qualities. The album artwork is similar to the Duster album cover I posted.
Not keen on vocals that remind me of Neal Morse but I like music qualities. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-VllzyM2rsBjdFwke1mWEA https://echoriftmusic.bandcamp.com/ Edited by Logan - May 26 2025 at 10:20 |
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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wiz_d_kidd ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 13 2018 Location: EllicottCityMD Status: Offline Points: 1499 |
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I'm not a big fan of Neo-prog in general. One artist, in particular, who is classified as neo in PA, but is really symphonic in my opinion, is The Psychedelic Ensemble. Yes, his early works were neo, but after a point, he became very symphonic. Try "The Tale of the Golden King" or "The Sunstone" to start.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 38658 |
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^ That too would be at least primarily Symphonic Prog in my opinion. I like it, thanks. I had heard theat first one before but not THE Storm, which I like a lot.
By the way, I actually like various music from all of the categories at PA. Another one I liked in PA's Neo-Prog, but again to me it doesn't fit well (do get that Neo-Prog feel from guitar work sometimes) is Marc Ceccotti's (of Edhels) Sometimes Around Saturn. At one time Discipline's Unfolded Like Staircase was my favourite album in Neo-Prog (and then it was moved). I have liked some Pendragon and Marillion and various other things in Neo-Prog. I have liked music by The Watch (which I think of as Symphonic Prog primarily but can hear the Neo) which wears its Gabriel Genesis influence on its sleeves. Edited by Logan - May 27 2025 at 06:55 |
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Grumpyprogfan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 09 2019 Location: KC Status: Offline Points: 12828 |
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^^The Psychedelic Ensemble is excellent. I do remember a post a few years ago that said he is not in good health. His last release was in 2019.
Has anyone heard anything? |
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Hrychu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 03 2013 Location: poland? Status: Offline Points: 5955 |
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My favorite Neo-Prog albums are Tardigrade by Simon Says and Somewhere But Yesterday by Citizen Cain. Both are assigned to Symphonic Prog on this website, though.
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Hrychu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 03 2013 Location: poland? Status: Offline Points: 5955 |
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I consider Symphonic Prog and Neo Prog to be sister genres and thus it can be quite difficult to draw the line where one starts and the other one ends.
From what I understand, historically, the Neo-Prog umbrella would apply to mid-late 80s till early 90s bands that retroactively took inspiration from early 70s prog music, Genesis in particular, and superimposed those stylistics onto the then-contemporary 80's production trends. But as time went on, more and more "revival" prog formations appeared all over the world. The musical tropes with which the bands harkened back to the 70s were becoming more diverse in approach. There is a difference in presentation between say Änglagård and Pendragon. Right? To me, the typical Neo-Prog sound is strongly rooted in mid-late 70s Genesis. Another very important imho common element is the implementation of state of the art analog polysynths and crunchy new wave guitars in favor of Hammond noodling and clean jazzy guitars. Besides, and that might be a highly subjective observation so take it with a huge grain of salt, wind instruments such as the saxophone take the spotlight much less often in Neo-Prog, than Symphonic. |
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wiz_d_kidd ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 13 2018 Location: EllicottCityMD Status: Offline Points: 1499 |
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Here are the few bands I listen to in the neo prog genre -- mostly because they are not very neo-prog-ish. Sorry about the links... I'm working without wysiwyg and haven't time to look up the embded codes.
Brain Connect (Poland) "Think Different" - instrumental with soft jazzy elements [https://brainconnect.bandcamp.com/album/think-different] The Emerald Dawn (Scotland) "In Time" - ethereal female vocals [https://theemeralddawn.bandcamp.com/album/in-time] Gerard (Japan) "Keyboard Triangle II" - wild keyboard gymnastics, more JRF than NEO [https://youtu.be/F1HXvQHVnFw?list=OLAK5uy_kqqmYU8pY-r8ns1_RNs73dEGkjMZrTrcg] The Healing Road (Germany) "Birdbrain's Travels" - lengthy, instrumental compositions [https://thehealingroad.bandcamp.com/album/the-healing-road] Erik Norlander (USA) "The Galactic Collective: Live in Gettysburg" - sympho/electronic with sparse female vocals [https://eriknorlander.bandcamp.com/album/live-in-gettysburg] Yuka & Chronoship (Japan) "The 3rd Planetary Chronicles" - female keyboard wizardry [https://youtu.be/_XIfZqmLO_c?list=OLAK5uy_mSyZEMrQ6zydAIdHM-cdlSdGYqwwXG70s] |
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Grumpyprogfan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 09 2019 Location: KC Status: Offline Points: 12828 |
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^Some neo-prog I enjoy is Frost* and Sanguine Hum.
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Two really good bands i do not see as neo-prog. ![]() |
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 38658 |
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^^^ Excellent post, Mark. I knew some of that and checked out Brain Connect and enjoyed what I heard. I don't very often hear the words jazz and Neo-Prog mixed together. Jazz is a component of so much music I love.
Another category at PA that I have not been that keen on is the main Progressive Metal one (although I'm sure I have heard various things I like there and might have had some great suggestions and I just can't remember the names of.) Of the metal categories, I most like Experimental/Post Metal. I like Boris, maudlin of the Well, Uboa and Neurosis best in those that I recall (I had not thought of Uboa as very post-metal, but it is an element like on Impossible Light). I do like classic heavy metal and related (I mean certain late 60s to early 70s stuff especially that sometimes is just called hard rock, and may mix psych). Of those I remember right now, my favourite band included in Prog Archive's Prog Metal category is Diablo Swing Orchestra from Sweden (not typical for the category, and fun). of course PA's categorisation is very limited (all releases by an act under one label, not multi-genre tagging, and too limited in labels for my tastes). |
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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wiz_d_kidd ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 13 2018 Location: EllicottCityMD Status: Offline Points: 1499 |
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Since you like jazzy music and want to explore Prog Metal, try Special Providence and Intervals. Both are on the "lighter side" of metal, and Special Providence exhibits a jazz/rock/metal/fusion kind of style. Their later works get more metallic if you like that sort of thing.
Special Providence (Hungary) "Soul Alert" Intervals (Canada) "The Way Forward" Edited by wiz_d_kidd - Yesterday at 10:34 |
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 38658 |
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^ Thanks, I listened to and appreciated both. :)
There are quite a few bands that mix metal and jazz that I appreciate. By the way, here's one by Panzerballet (listed at PA in JRF) on the more avant garde side that these weird ears dig (the band released an album this year that I briefly checked out featuring Marco Minnemann and others) FrantiK Nervesaw Massacre |
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18598 |
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Hi, One of the saddest things I have ever seen and heard, was in the 1999 SF Music Festival in SF, and The Rocket Scientists and Lana Lane, opened the whole thing on Friday ... and they were fantastic, and probably the best rehearsed and prepared band of the whole festival. The sad part, no one really came and sat and even bother to hear a song or two, and appreciate some really fine work, though now we kinda consider it "neo" because Erik 10 years later was starting to sound repetitive, and not as experimental and crazy as before ... which he was in the original version of TRS folks and several LL albums, though her albums, while nice, sometimes I think the lyrics are a bit poor and needed some help to get some improvement, and I'm not sure it was her voice or inflections, though I would have liked to see/hear, a more theatrical effort instead of simply singing straight out and across. It was sadder still when someone said that they were "too metal", as if in 1999 the metal thing was not involved or a part of the progressive thing at all. For the most part, and this live album shows it, it was good and the band were tight, but you can almost see and hear that Erik was not as creative by that time, as he was before, and I felt like ... I want more ... and not exactly the same sound or string of keyboards and works. I have not heard anything of his/theirs for 10 years now and will probably check things out some. I would like to see EN get out and away from the KE thing altogether, and play things for himself, not to sound like someone else ... he has the touch and the feel, and I would like to see him spread it out some. |
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Sorry but I think that the things embedded in the traditional neo prog style are not going to appeal to those that like adventurous or experimental music. This is the basic 'problem'. We are not all the same and don't all look for the same qualities in music. I've got a high tolerance for relatively unadventurous music. I don't care that much if it sounds like other stuff. In fact I enjoy the links to the past and am actually less keen on music that is too unique and 'interesting'. The whole 'I don't like neo prog' thing has frankly become tiresome. I've said it before but I wish the whole genre was consigned to the bin or at least merged with 'Crossover' which seems to have a lot of music that is similar. For instance anyone like to explain why Big Big Train are not a 'neo prog' band. They fit the definition and their most popular album English Electric Part One could be a modern day version of Genesis quite easily.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 38658 |
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So it's clear to all (if the OP was not).. This topic is meant to be about whatever category at PA one is lacking appreciation in, perhaps do to a lack of exposure, mention details about music one does like, what one may have tried and did not appeal, and seek recommendations. Mark (wiz_d_kidd) and I are into a lot of different things (different passions, I am more avant leaning), and I'm into plenty of music that is not really experimental or adventurous I would think, but we both have not been big appreciators of Neo-Prog generally.
I want to keep this focused on trying to help people with suggestions if people can think of ones based on tastes, and asking for recommendations. I'm sure the whole I don't like Neo-Prog thing, or I don't like Zeuhl, I don't like RIO, I don't like Krautrock etc. can be tiresome for people. It has been for me. Especially when people bash music (be it a band or a genre) and dismiss music with too limited knowledge it can irk me. We all have biases and our general biases are not the fault of the music. Sometimes it's just a matter of taste but people will speak as if something is objectively bad. For myself, I like albums in every category at PA, but sometimes my favourite albums in a category will not fit the category well, such as, I believe, Duster. I think there often are gateway albums into genres, and if people want to mention those, that's fine too (and they don't have to be included in that category at PA). Hopefully this can be a worthwhile exercise for those who wish to participate and both seek and make recommendations. I have not liked the bashing of many categories I have seen there, and I want this to be a more positive topic for tolerant people with fairly open ears and open minds. This from the Prog genres that you dislike is what made me want to do this topic (I was hoping by now to have made some recommendations from various of my favourites categories to people as I know people have expressed difficulties with -- and some disdain for -- various of my favourite categories such as RIO/Avant Prog, Zeuhl, Post-Rock and Krautrock):
On a side-note: I don't find the way we categorise and assign genres adequate both on an album and act level, but it is what it is, and unfortunately it seems we have to live with certain limitations here. I much prefer how Rate Your Music classifies and describes music by assigning multiple labels to albums. By the way, The Big Big Train I liked most was like a mix of Symphonic Prog and Prog Folk with Crossover qualities. It does have pop-oriented vocals I often associate with Neo-Prog plus that influence of Genesis. I guess the keyboard and guitar did not sound as Neo-Prog to my ears as many other acts would. I think all of the categories at PA's definitions could be improved. Edited by Logan - 11 hours 8 minutes ago at 05:24 |
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BBT is more symphonic prog than neo-prog. They're more retro-prog, 70s worship than neo-prog bands ever were. |
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Hrychu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 03 2013 Location: poland? Status: Offline Points: 5955 |
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Big Big Train, in my opinion, is a textbook Neo-Prog example. The way a lot of bands are genre-assigned in the database is a mess so I don't take it too literally. The Crossover Prog sub-genre for a long time has been a kind of catch-all "miscellaneous" bin for stuff that doesn't fit the rest of the subgenres or prog-lite content that's just a little bit too prog to be purged as a Prog-Related entry.
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Hi, I'm not sure that things are a "mess", however, I think that the years have not been kind to the definitions and the genres and it might be a good time to clean it up and update things ... however, when you got hundreds of thousands of titles and such, the amount of work needed is going to be crazy ... I can volunteer some, but there are going to be issues ... like someone in charge of this or that was hoping that band xyz would be moved somewhere else kind of thing. Either way it is a problem, though it might work if a "new" site is created and things get copied over there, into the new settings, and then after a certain point, we should switch to the version ... but I think there is too much stuff and not enough folks to help fix anything ... but the different opinions and ideas for each addition is a serious problem ... we need to clean up the definitions, so there is less of a decision to the proper placement for a new album, or band! Just thinking about this ... not even sure it is workable, but the Jazz Archives design is a lot better for me, and I have not seen anyone worried or complaining about the placements, like you get here! |
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