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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

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I have been quite annoyed with certain "nerdy" "Prog traditionalists" who act like you are mentally deficient or deranged if you don't mention various big names in topics where such names could be relevant as well as people who complain about names getting mentioned in topics that are not so traditionally Prog or typically prog genre.


Greg, I do that just to annoy you, knowing that you are indeed an obscurantist, and find actual good albums to be anathema. But find a recording of a Zeuhl duck clucking along in some exotic Anseriforme dialect accompanied by a mellotron? You are there!***

***No Logans were actually harmed in the making of this post.


Ẁurdah waterfowl... I basically see myself as Dï Destruktïẁ Duk Kommandöh.


Yes, please notice I indicated the duck was clucking. A duck quacking would be way too mainstream.


One does not need to be a clucking genius to notice that.   
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I have to admit though, it really frustrates me when I read reviews on ProgArchives that criticize albums simply because they aren't fully progressive. Albums like ELO's Time or Secret Messages are incredible synth-pop works, yet they get one or two stars just because they don't fit neatly into the prog mold. That kind of narrow-mindedness misses the point — you should evaluate an album for what it is, not what it isn't. Judging Time as a progressive rock album is like dismissing a Charli XCX album for not sounding like John Coltrane. It's unfair and ultimately unhelpful.
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Not inherently, but I feel like the overlap is significant enough the answer might as well be yes. As others have said, it also depends what you consider to be "nerdy".
Originally posted by Gnik Nosmirc Gnik Nosmirc wrote:

I have to admit though, it really frustrates me when I read reviews on ProgArchives that criticize albums simply because they aren't fully progressive. Albums like ELO's Time or Secret Messages are incredible synth-pop works, yet they get one or two stars just because they don't fit neatly into the prog mold. That kind of narrow-mindedness misses the point — you should evaluate an album for what it is, not what it isn't. Judging Time as a progressive rock album is like dismissing a Charli XCX album for not sounding like John Coltrane. It's unfair and ultimately unhelpful.

I would agree with that except for the website that we're on. The star system is explicitly about how you would rate music as prog. The "Prog-Related" and "Proto-prog" ratings are not held to that condition, which is fair enough. I do think a lot in "Crossover", like ELO, should really be in "Related" and not be subject to the same rating.
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I would agree with that except for the website that we're on. The star system is explicitly about how you would rate music as prog.
That has always been an annoying prognerd feature on PA that should be removed. I don't rate here because of that approach, and that my rating or review isn't valuded anyway.

-Gnik Nosmirk: Coincidentally ELO's Time has been favorite of mine basically all of my life. Ever since I pulled the LP out of my parents record collection as a child - and found the cover art intriguing. I've actually rated it with five stars at RYM. I find it perfect at what it is. An insanely catchy "pop opera" in space (I do find it somewhat progressive too). And of course it would get the exact same rating here if I had bothered. The bands and their music are not to blame for all of PA's badly thought through decicions made back in the day. Time would have gotten five stars at JazzMusicArchives for that matter.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Faul_McCartney Faul_McCartney wrote:


I would agree with that except for the website that we're on. The star system is explicitly about how you would rate music as prog.
That has always been an annoying prognerd feature on PA that should be removed. I don't rate here because of that approach, and that my rating or review isn't valuded anyway.

-Gnik Nosmirk: Coincidentally ELO's Time has been favorite of mine basically all of my life. Ever since I pulled the LP out of my parents record collection as a child - and found the cover art intriguing. I've actually rated it with five stars at RYM. I find it perfect at what it is. An insanely catchy "pop opera" in space (I do find it somewhat progressive too). And of course it would get the exact same rating here if I had bothered. The bands and their music are not to blame for all of PA's badly thought through decicions made back in the day. Time would have gotten five stars at JazzMusicArchives for that matter.



OK, fair enough that the ratings description in PA are perfectible enough (who actually rates that way anyways? ProgDorks and Symph Weenies ??).
But I imagine that the Metal Music Archives are also as "skewed" as a metal-dom scale.
It's a problem that RYM doesn't face since it's a totally open ballgame.

And indeed both prog and to a lesser extent metal were indeed like sects back when the sites were created in 2004, though MMA was born somewhat much later than PA (>> 2010, maybe?)

As for Jazz MA, I guess it was more adult setting though I haven't got a memory about the ratings go up according to some possible "jazz scale".





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Edited by Sean Trane - June 08 2025 at 04:02
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