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Spartacus ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() Joined: January 27 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 72 |
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I am really curious as to the results of this poll. I do not by any means see any value in their music and am actaully quite concerned that DT could become the posterboys of modern prog and totally misrepresent progressive music. If they become the cliche for progressive music, the future of this genre is in real trouble. I am not trying to stir up trouble at all, these are just real concerns of mine. Thanks for honestly voting. Me and I asume many others shall look forward to the results of this niche community.
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Reed Lover ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 16 2004 Location: Sao Tome and Pr Status: Offline Points: 5187 |
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Ugghhh, I'd rather play a cherub at Netherland ranch, than listen to anymore DT! |
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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DT bores me after 5 minutes, and I'm not alone. We have a Progressive discussion group in Perú named La Lata, and every month one member talks about a band and shows some videos for all the group in a Video Club. At the end of 2004 one of our best prepared hosts "Cesar Inca" talked about Dream Theater, his speech was impecable and interesting, the videos were good, but the reaction among the public was terrible, most of the people don't have interest in Prog' Metal or Dream Theater. Iván |
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Spartacus ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() Joined: January 27 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 72 |
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Ugghhh, I'd rather play a cherub at Netherland ranch, than listen to anymore DT
Wow!!!!!! Now that is some serious dislike |
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Swinton MCR ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 19 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 848 |
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How can DT "misrepresent progressive music" ?? Just BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE IT? |
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Reed Lover ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 16 2004 Location: Sao Tome and Pr Status: Offline Points: 5187 |
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Why have you included a hyperlink to your email Swinny? |
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gdub411 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 24 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3484 |
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I some some and I don't like some of their stuff. They're a mixed bag.
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Swinton MCR ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 19 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 848 |
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I don't know - my computer just decided to put it in ? - Very strange ??
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Spartacus ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() Joined: January 27 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 72 |
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I really don't think it is progressive music, that is my concern. It does have some elements of the genre, but DT is more of a slick metal band with progressive tendencies. Metal first and Prog second, thus MetalProg not ProgMetal. I feel that those outside of prog are often scared away by these "ProgMetal" bands like DT. I just don't want prog and it's public view for that matter be tainted by the likes of DT. I have been lurking around these forums for more than a month now and I was shocked by the amount of interest I see in DT and bands like them. I am not trying to start a battle just get a barometer of the interest in DT. If you enjoy DT so be it, just taking a poll.
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Reed Lover ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 16 2004 Location: Sao Tome and Pr Status: Offline Points: 5187 |
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No- you originally typed "@" instead of " ' " . |
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arcer ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 01 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1239 |
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As one who has previosuly freaked out (just ever so slightly) about polls I probably shouldn't get involved here, but Gdub makes an interesting point about prog-metal's representation of the genre. Not arguing whether DT are prog or not (so dull - they're here because they're here) but heavy metal's take on (abduction of?) is an interesting subject. Has heavy metal ruined prog? Was prog in any way ever allied with heavy metal in some sort of musical pigeon hole? Why/How do so many people who are enthusiastic about metal find their way to Yes/KC/Genesis/Floyd etc and why when they do find them are they attracted to music, which to my ears, has so little to do with prog. Ok there are exceptions such as Rush who have a hard rock core running through their music (but which in my opinion was thrown out on their most interesting records - 1976-1984) before re-emerging in the 90s. But what the hell is the deal with Metal and Prog? To me they're mutually exclusive - one is clever and inspired by jazz, folk and classical filtered through some R&B, blues and psychedelia, the other bludgeoning, soulless and inspired by speed, volume and other heavy metal/hard rock. Am I alone in thinking this?
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arcer ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 01 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1239 |
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BTW I voted no
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arcer ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 01 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1239 |
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Just re-read my first post. Blimey my typing is sh*te isn't it!!! And I do this for a living
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Spartacus ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() Joined: January 27 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 72 |
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"But what the hell is the deal with Metal and Prog? " I wish I knew.
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Joren ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 07 2004 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 6667 |
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I sometimes enjoy Dream Theater... it depends on my mood... sometimes I hate it, some times I really like certain parts. Their music has good elements, but also many many cheesey elements (take that sax solo on Images And Words, for instance... CHEESEY!)
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Hangedman ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: November 03 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1261 |
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Very talented musicians, i just find that they are dull. I also wrote a song which had the same title as a DT song, which made me label them as mortal enemies. "Learning to Live" was a really good song name. But now i cant use it.
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Spartacus ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() Joined: January 27 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 72 |
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I would agree that DT are very good musicians. I also think that parts of their songs are good but then they do a 360 and turn to metal and destroy the moment. I believe that DT had the talent to be a good prog band but not the understanding of mood, flow, or composition. This is not just a problem with DT but countless numbers of other modern prog bands. Skill alone does not make the art.
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very good musicians. Mike Portnoy is one of the best drummers from the 90s I think. The vocalization is good, the guitars can become boring. And I give a A+ to the keyboarding. Overall I enjoy DT. I have 3 of their albums working on getting a couple more |
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Metropolis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 20 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 760 |
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Hmm, well i like them, maybe its because I'm a metal head turned progger
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We Lost the Skyline............
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Eemu Ranta ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 26 2004 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 150 |
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I don't really enjoy their music. They create pleasant moods just to tear
them apart with doodling nonsense, and Portnoy is just awful ![]() drummer perhaps, in the same way Yngwie is a good guitarist. You're being a bit harsh on metal, arcer. It's a broad genre. Many sub- genres are indeed inspired by "volume and speed", others equally obsessed with feelings. It's just a different kind of sophistication. But there is a great lot of very talented "metal" composers who share progs perfectionism, artistical expressions and sophistication. They just create their music with the style they love the mostl. To call metal "soulless" is bad generalizing ![]() |
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