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the musical box 
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 Topic: Zappa: Where to Start?Posted: February 08 2005 at 10:55 |
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Ive never really liked the guy personally, i find he's incredibly overrated, and overuses his humour but anyways... My local record store just got a huge amount of used Zappa discs in, where should i start? Any symphonic ones?
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Posted: February 08 2005 at 11:14 |
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I would start at Sheik Yerbouti. That album kicks butt.
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Syzygy
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Posted: February 08 2005 at 11:20 |
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There are some good compilations - Strictly Commercial collects his more accessible work, and Have I Offended Someone? collects his funniest moments. There are also a couple of good low budget samplers called Cheep Thrills and Son Of Cheep Thrills, which are a bit more eclectic in their approach. He didn't really do symphonic prog, but the double CD Make A Jazz Noise Here is largely instrumental and features a big band/small orchestra ripping through some old favourites. |
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Manunkind
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Posted: February 08 2005 at 11:31 |
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Start with Varese... Hot Rats would be a good choice. The humor is in the notes themselves. There are almost no vocals and the musicians deliver the most astounding solos. Zappa's guitar is definitely NOT overrated |
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"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
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maani
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Posted: February 08 2005 at 11:55 |
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TMB: I got into Zappa late, through "Apostrophe." I then heard "Overnite Sensation" and "One Size Fits All." Only after hearing these three middle-period albums did I go back and listen to earlier classics like Hot Rats, Weasels Ripped My Flesh, etc. Then I got into later stuff like Sheik Yerbouti et al. Trust me. Try Apostrophe first. It has three of Zappa's most brilliant cuts: Don't Eat The Yellow Snow, Stinkfoot, and Cozmik Debris. Peace. |
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Joren
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Posted: February 08 2005 at 11:59 |
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Overrated? But maani is right. Apostrophe and over-nite sensation are good starters. For more recommendations, just read the last paragraph of the bio I wrote: Good luck and HAVE FUN! Edited by Joren |
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Velvetclown
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Posted: February 08 2005 at 12:13 |
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YOU ARE WHAT YOU IS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Trotsky
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Posted: February 08 2005 at 12:59 |
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Grand Wazoo or Hot Rats
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greenback
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Posted: February 08 2005 at 13:08 |
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you are what you is is great. i recommend studio tan for a complex funny sympathic experience. i like very much his modern sound, from joe's garage to jazz from hell Edited by greenback |
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JrKASperov
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Posted: February 08 2005 at 13:09 |
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I find roxy in elsewhere(the live album) also a fine one to get into. Very easy to listen, and funky.
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Epic.
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Joren
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Posted: February 08 2005 at 13:36 |
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One of my favourites! |
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the musical box
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Posted: February 08 2005 at 13:39 |
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Thanks alot for The suggestions guys; i'll take Maani's suggestion and buy "Apostrophe" next week, and budget permitting, i'll try to get "Hot Rats" as well. Thanks: Keep the suggestions coming! Also: Any Neil Young fans on the board? My college English prof. just lent me "Unplugged" and "Trans", and i find them both very interesting. Any suggestions? |
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Gabito
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Posted: February 08 2005 at 13:50 |
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Apostrophe & Overnight Sensation to begin... agree. Hot Rats? Yes!! Awesome album... And later ones as Sheik Sherbouti, Joe's Garage or Tinseltown Rebelion (this is a good one!) are very good choices as well... By the way, Zappa is not underrated... He's a complete musical genious! Regards |
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DallasBryan
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Posted: February 08 2005 at 14:25 |
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start with Apostrophe and OverNite Sensations, then
you might try - Hot Rats, One Size Fits All, Grand Wazoo(symphonic), Sheik Yerbouti. Strickly Commericial is a good sampler! Neil Young just released his first one disc Greatest Hits and it is THE best place to start. Decade(2CD comp) has Cortez the Killer(which I miss on the new one) but sound quality is very poor, Decade has never been remastered and some of Neils stuff was not recorded well(or scorched masters), so I wouldnt recommend it. Edited by DallasBryan |
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Rob The Plant
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Posted: February 08 2005 at 17:50 |
Okay man, I'll make sure to get "Apostrophe" tommorow.  |
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Collaborators will take your soul.
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mirco
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Posted: February 08 2005 at 17:55 |
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A little disgression: I read somewhere that Neil Young is the father of Grunge. It is right?
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Please forgive me for my crappy english!
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AngelRat
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Posted: February 08 2005 at 17:57 |
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Avoid all samplers/compilations, they do no justice to this genius. Get 'YCDTOSA Vol. 2: The Helsinki Concert'. One of his best gigs ever, committed to cd especially for you. To enjoy. Edited by AngelRat |
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Glass-Prison
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Posted: February 08 2005 at 18:12 |
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You can't do that on stage anymore! great live albums, if you can find them Edited by Glass-Prison |
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Joren
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Posted: February 08 2005 at 20:02 |
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They are very "findable" here in the Netherlands. No problem!
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Emperor
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Posted: February 09 2005 at 02:10 |
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If you're mostly a fan of Progressive, it's better to start with those Zappa's albums which are closer to Classical Progressive Rock (I also prefer them, BTW): Zoot Allures, Shiek Yerbouti, Tinsell Town Rebellion and Ship Arriving Too Late To Save A Drowning Witch.
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