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 Topic: Trout Mask Replica: Captian Beefheart
Posted: February 13 2015 at 12:42 |
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This less accessible CB album was produced by the great Mr. Zappa and is considered by many to be the Captain's high watermark. Is it? Or do following albums like Lick My Decals trump it?
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Posted: February 13 2015 at 12:43 |
I don't compare. I just vomit beautifully, this album is so good.  
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Posted: February 13 2015 at 12:46 |
^Well put!
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Posted: February 13 2015 at 13:04 |
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Not for me.
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Posted: February 13 2015 at 13:12 |
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^ same here, could never understand what is good about this. I like their debut though.
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Posted: February 14 2015 at 07:55 |
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I appreciate TMR's rigid unguance.
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Posted: February 15 2015 at 17:57 |
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Brilliant.
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Posted: February 15 2015 at 18:01 |
Hi,
Strange how this album gets no comments compared to other stuff that likely won't be remembered as fondly as the Cap was and is !!!
Edited by moshkito - February 15 2015 at 18:07
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Posted: February 15 2015 at 19:24 |
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Omigod
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Posted: February 16 2015 at 03:55 |
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I think the way Trout Mask Replica has become the Captain's most celebrated record actually puts quite a few people off his oeuvre, since it might be his most ambitious record but as a direct consequence it's also his least accessible. It's through The Mirror Man Sessions I finally understood what he's all about, and I'd probably recommend Doc at the Radar Station or Ice Cream for Crow as the best entrance point to the weird wonder world of Van Vliet.
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Posted: February 16 2015 at 04:10 |
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I know every inch of this album by heart now - as should most of my former neighbours (bless their souls!). My cd is completely fecked up by now with scratches and beer stains, but I can't find it in me to replace it with a new. Kinda fits the music inside.
Great music for clearing out a party. You want people to leave? Put this baby on and watch them flee.
Personally, I love it but it wasn't always so. Well I liked it at first, because it made me laugh and jump and dance like a maniac. Still does but I have come to appreciate it more for it's musical qualities over the years.
One of a kind, even if Bruford think he's got dips on that.
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Posted: February 16 2015 at 04:16 |
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Has anyone here read the 33½ book analyzing Trout Mask Replica? I haven't, since I don't think I've heard the album in question enough to really understand it completely and I don't want my own perspective tainted too much by someone else's interpretation.
It does seem like the exact type of record that lends itself really well to that kind of in-depth dissection, though, so I imagine it'd be one of the most rewarding books in that series.
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Posted: February 16 2015 at 04:42 |
One of the best albums of U.S. Prog!
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Posted: February 16 2015 at 09:33 |
 HolyMoly wrote:
Omigod
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Hahaha!!!
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Posted: February 16 2015 at 10:09 |
Toaster Mantis wrote:
Has anyone here read the 33½ book analyzing Trout Mask Replica? I haven't, since I don't think I've heard the album in question enough to really understand it completely and I don't want my own perspective tainted too much by someone else's interpretation.
It does seem like the exact type of record that lends itself really well to that kind of in-depth dissection, though, so I imagine it'd be one of the most rewarding books in that series.
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I have it. One thing it does is offer a little bit of context for the lyrical ideas - most of those lyrics are actually about stuff. So the book didn't really "ruin" it for me by "de-mystifying" its wonders - and it wasn't the most enlightening thing I've ever read (after reading John French's essay in the "Grow Fins" boxset, I felt like I had a pretty good grasp on the album's story already), but it did offer enough "really? wow!" moments to make it worthwhile for me. The book does also spend a lot of time recounting Beefheart's history leading up to the album (the Safe as Milk band, etc).
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Posted: February 16 2015 at 11:53 |
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Not for me. I got it used and it turned me off to getting any more Beefheart for many years. My intro was Bongo Fury. Then I got Doc At The Radar Station, which I liked and still do. I cringe whenever Trout Mask comes up in rotation. My next one would be Safe As Milk, which I also like.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted: February 16 2015 at 15:17 |
I consider myself to be a fan of the Captain (own all the studio albums plus a small box set that came out a few years back..) but this album was always a tough one for me to enjoy. Not my favorite by him nor do I consider it to be his masterpiece.
Edited by dr wu23 - February 16 2015 at 15:18
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Posted: February 16 2015 at 17:27 |
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I was slightly disappointed, not because it was terrible (far from it, it's one of the better double albums out there) but because I had exposed my self to the Mirror Man/Strictly Personal era and I look at that period as a blueprint for what was to come with Trout. Not to mention listening to other artists with similar weird streaks, including King Crimson, Syd Barrett and, of course, Frank Zappa. As a result, what was supposed to be "out there" for some was just normal for me by that point.
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Posted: February 16 2015 at 17:50 |
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You know something I like bits of the record, but i could never listen to the thing from start to finish.
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Posted: February 16 2015 at 17:58 |
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Some people argue that Lick My Decals Off, Baby is a more successful realisation of the musical ideas on Trout Mask Replica (delta blues meets free jazz meets dada meets...). Decals is certainly more focused, but TMR is completely sui generis and could be the greatest album ever recorded in any genre anywhere ever. I sometimes find myself singing some of the drum or guitar parts, which means I generally get a seat to myself on the underground.
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