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egillhardar ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: May 24 2019 Location: Iceland Status: Offline Points: 17 |
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Firstly, I have to admit I have not read all the extensive writings here on this site but I wanted to ask if prog "began" when The Nice played in England and various countries across Europe and the U.S. from '67 to '69? I think I read somewhere that, at the time they really opened the eyes of many young musicians to the possibilities of merging classical music and rock which eventually spawned what we refer to as progressive rock today.
I am aware that the psychedelic music of the 60s had a lot of influence but I wanted to know if The Nice are generally thought of as the...well...fathers of prog. What do you guys think?
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Spaciousmind ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: September 07 2020 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 724 |
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You could argue their case for maybe symphonic prog but that's about where it would stop.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 16581 |
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No, the Nice typically aren't thought of as the first but they probaby should be. Usually I hear people say Pink Floyd, The Beatles, King Crimson or even the Moody Blues before the Nice. Imo, the Nice were probably the only(or at least one of the few) band before KC who were doing stuff beyond just "proto prog" imo.
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TheLionOfPrague ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2011 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 1060 |
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There really isn't a moment in particular, it was a process. The early seeds I guess came from Zappa, Beatles, The Who, etc and then The Nice, Moody Blues and others took it one step further. King Crimson's debut is when it really came together.< ="text/" async="" ="//s3.amazonaws.com/js-init/1d61f2beb014840140.js">
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POTA ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 17 2005 Status: Offline Points: 173 |
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I think I would agree with this too. |
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 33100 |
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I’d include Procol Harum, especially for Shine on Brightly in 1968, and Family.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 16581 |
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Music from a doll's house is quirky and while it has some of the ingredients that prog bands would use just around the corner the music is very much "regular" songs with nothing really stretching out the way prog typically does. Family Entertainment came a little bit closer but I'm not sure they ever really evolved into a full blown prog band(imo of course).
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Snicolette ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2018 Location: OR Status: Offline Points: 5980 |
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I think that The Nice, The Moody Blues and also Procol Harum were the beginnings of Progressive music, even though they didn't call it that, then. I think that in King Crimson, it was solidified and became what it was to become. And I love Family, but a little later than this time period (Fearless and Bandstand)
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Miles Davis. Dude picked up his trumpet. Blew away. Prog was born
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It began with Bela Bartok - he's the grandfather of prog!
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Miles is most certainly a key contributor to the evolution of certain elements of prog, no doubt! What I really, really appreciate about Miles Davis, is that guy was legit an artist in every sense of the word. He genuinely did not give a damn about what was currently popular, and would have insanely long improvised jam sets with top studio musicians (both live and otherwise) that are more or less progressive pieces in themselves. His live early-mid 70's electric era is some of the best music ever captured IMHO, and it was all live!
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"I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Offline Points: 35570 |
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Oh yes, who could forget the Hungarian prog trio of Emersonik, Lak & Bartok.
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I'd say that early Frank Zappa and Beatles did a lot to change the mindset of the times. Vanilla Fudge was instrumental in the heavy prog department. The Nice started the organ rock thing. I would also point to Procol Harum's 'In Held Was I' for the starting point of the prog epic.
Before that Frank Sinatra invented both the 'album' and the concept album in the fifties. He even returned to making concept albums in '69 en '70. I would highly recommend listening to 'Watertown' and 'A Man Alone'. |
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I'm guitarist and songwriter for the prog-related band Mother Bass. Find us at http://www.motherbass.com. I also enter stages throughout the Netherlands performing my poetry.
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It is like the evolution of species. There is no real beginning; it is a process. Only we human beings have to pin a name on something in this process.
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egillhardar ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: May 24 2019 Location: Iceland Status: Offline Points: 17 |
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Absolutely! "In Held 'Twas In I" with all it's different sections and arrangements is pure prog.
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Shoutout to the bands Touch and Family, not that I particularly love their music but they def have some early prog credentials
All starts with the Moodys for me though Edited by dougmcauliffe - October 04 2020 at 06:01 |
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20538 |
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For me, prog proper started with ItCotCK by KC. All else was formative.
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17733 |
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No such thing as beginning IMO, but more of a transition in thinking how to create music using outside the pop box thinking.
For me it is The Moody Blues~Days Of Future Passed (1967), and this was not called progressive music...Just read the back of the album cover, it says ..... "the Moody Blues have at least done what many others have dreamed of and talked about: they have extended the range of pop music, and found the point where it becomes one with the world of the classics."
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Snicolette ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2018 Location: OR Status: Offline Points: 5980 |
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Very much agreed, Catcher10. Just because they hadn't yet coined a term for it, didn't mean it wasn't happening. It was a transition, not one door completely closed and then another opened.
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