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    Posted: November 19 2021 at 09:44
I chat on dozens of movie sites, and movies from this region are ignored. I must admit I have seen barely more than a dozen or so, but a couple of years ago, after seeing a documentary on TCM, I saw an Egyptian movie (Chit-Chat On The Nile) and it was so different, yet so great. I remember seeing "Cairo '30" (which was probably the best, not my favorite that I mentioned above), "Cairo Station" and "There Is A Man In Our House". I can't remember the others, but I'm guessing they were probably directed by Henry Barakat, and starred Famen Hamama or Omar Sharif. Adapted or written by Mahfouz, who's shown to be one hell of a writer. I actually remember reading about him in Time Magazine when I was a kid. I also remember telling my aunt, who said, "He was kind of perverted" and went on to say how great Khalil Jibran was.

Last year, TCM started showing a documentary series called, "Women Make Film", and they were saying how many women were producers, directors, writers, and leading ladies, of course. I added movies to my watch-list... And a few days ago, someone on another site started an Egyptian thread.

There's some really good Iranian movies. It seems like half are very metaphysical. There's a movie within a movie within a movie. I can't remember the title, but there was one about this little girl actress, and it's done so well, I wasn't sure if it was part of the story, or if it was part of the movie they were filming (which we don't discover until around that time). Abbas Kiarostami is another name. "Close-Up" is an amazing idea, but "Taste of Cherry" is my favorite of his. Even the ending is unique and metaphysical.

What I've admired the most is the writing, regardless of who it is. A lot of social commentary, sometimes political, mixed in with love stories, and always searching for some kind of truth within the main characters. The "heavies" are always boorish and logical, while the third wheel (the single unmarried man) is always the romantic one. The women can't be described. Sensuous, but modest. Romantic, but trying to be responsible. Traditional at times, but constantly breaking with the past. I should point out most of the movies I have seen were from the 1950s and 60s.


"Dry Summer" is an excellent Turkish movie. Great story, acting, etc.

One thing that's common in all of them is the beautiful poetry. With the story, themes, writing, acting, cinematography, music - everything.

I also remember studying the first civilizations in school here in the US.. I still remember reading about the first city of Ur, Mesopotamia, the beginning of alphabet/writing (Sumerian), the wheel, and a million other inventions, such as irrigation, the Tigris and the Euphrates, the pyramids, the center of the three major Abrahamic religions, and this isn't ignored in the movies, even if it's not explicit. Sometimes you'll be watching a love story, and a couple meet by the pyramids, or someone tells their friend to meet them in Mosul, but of course the more intellectual movies mention politics, the history of societies, you name it.... The US is such a young country, there's only so much we can extrapolate and make into a movie with the limited palette.

I also remember reading how one movie in the 1950s had such an influence in Egypt, that it made it much easier for women to divorce. "JFK" is a horrible movie (Jim Garrison is the hero, not stone) but it also helped to change the law when it came to transparency.

I'm obsessed with chronology, capturing the zeitgeist (as opposed to the typical world events) in part to learn about history, trends, influence, comparing fiction with real life for its time, evolution of film, so I would start with the earliest movies, and move forward, to see how they got here at this point in history. I would see more, but finding subtitles can be tough, but there are some movies on YouTube (usually the popular ones, not the best) and one I really liked from 1972 that I saw yesterday after scrolling around Prime and seeing the interesting title, "Empire M", and it's a really unique movie. I just saw "The River of Love" but the translations could use improvement, and I might try to upload my own.
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Honestly, I'm too familiar with the Arabic culture. I lived amongst them a long(ish) time too. (Mardin/Midyat/Estel) They are great people. But, just because of this fact, the Arabian and the Middle-Eastern (in general) cultural products are not very alluring to me. Because I know their real culture. That's why I'm very interested in the Chinese culture. Because it is mysterious to me. The European/American culture is also interesting, as they show me the things that I'm not aware of. Though, not as mysterious as the Chinese culture. As I've had many many European and American friends. I still talk to some of them. Today, we chatted with a Greek friend of mine. I celebrated his birthday.

I once read an interview with an American director. He was asked why they only show the suburbs of Turkey in their movies. His explanation made PERFECT sense to me. He said, he made films that are in the metropolitan parts of Turkey, and the audience just aren't interested in them. BECAUSE there's New York there. Their (your) audience is interested to see things that they lack. I mean, you also have suburbian places, but our metropols are just the cheap replicas of yours. I didn't mean that our metropols are bad. I LOVE Ankara, İzmir and a bit of Istanbul. But, there's New York there. LOL

I'm presenting this perspective, and it might shock most of the Turks. As they believe that, they show Turkey's suburban places to your audience, ONLY to do us evil.

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Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

Honestly, I'm too familiar with the Arabic culture. I lived amongst them a long(ish) time too. (Mardin/Midyat/Estel) They are great people. But, just because of this fact, the Arabian and the Middle-Eastern (in general) cultural products are not very alluring to me. Because I know their real culture. That's why I'm very interested in the Chinese culture. Because it is mysterious to me. The European/American culture is also interesting, as they show me the things that I'm not aware of. Though, not as mysterious as the Chinese culture. As I've had many many European and American friends. I still talk to some of them. Today, we chatted with a Greek friend of mine. I celebrated his birthday.

I once read an interview with an American director. He was asked why they only show the suburbs of Turkey in their movies. His explanation made PERFECT sense to me. He said, he made films that are in the metropolitan parts of Turkey, and the audience just aren't interested in them. BECAUSE there's New York there. Their (your) audience is interested to see things that they lack. I mean, you also have suburbian places, but our metropols are just the cheap replicas of yours. I didn't mean that our metropols are bad. I LOVE Ankara, İzmir and a bit of Istanbul. But, there's New York there. LOL

I'm presenting this perspective, and it might shock most of the Turks. As they believe that, they show Turkey's suburban places to your audience, ONLY to do us evil.




But most people DONT know their culture, so you'd think there would be a lot more interest.
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^ You're definitely right. And this is a very honourable attitude of yours. I only explained the reason of my "little" interest.
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I think part of it is celebrity. People know Bergman is Swedish, but probably can't name 5 other directors from Sweden. Japan and Kurosawa, even Abbas Kiarostami and Iran.
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Originally posted by MortSahlFan MortSahlFan wrote:

Have you seen any?


Over the last 10 years, I've seen dozens of fiction movies made from Morocco all the way to Iran (and further), gpoing thru Algeria, Tunisia, a couple from Egypt, a few from Lebanon, and a surprising amount from Kurdistan (or about Kurdistan), a few Turkish and even a couple Kirghiz/Mongol films.

In western Europe, they are distributed in the A&E (arts & essays) movie houses and remains between 2 & 4 weeks, which means that one has to be quick in catching them.

But then again from the 40 to 70 movies/year I see in theatres (depending on the year), only 5% will be US/UK, as I favour Continental Europe (+/- 50%), the rest being Latin America, Middle Eastern and Far-Eastern movies (though I'm not much into Japan).

Though I write my movie reviews in French (well I +/- topped before the Covid lockdown and haven't returned to it), I post them in RYM and you can see them there under the Cooltrane username.
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As for historical (patrimonial stuff) films like B&W & such, I'm not much into them and I have a tough time being interested  in pre-70's movies.

Edited by Sean Trane - November 19 2021 at 16:29
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by MortSahlFan MortSahlFan wrote:

Have you seen any?


Over the last 10 years, I've seen dozens of fiction movies made from Morocco all the way to Iran (and further), gpoing thru Algeria, Tunisia, a couple from Egypt, a few from Lebanon, and a surprising amount from Kurdistan (or about Kurdistan), a few Turkish and even a couple Kirghiz/Mongol films.

In western Europe, they are distributed in the A&E (arts & essays) movie houses and remains between 2 & 4 weeks, which means that one has to be quick in catching them.

But then again from the 40 to 70 movies/year I see in theatres (depending on the year), only 5% will be US/UK, as I favour Continental Europe (+/- 50%), the rest being Latin America, Middle Eastern and Far-Eastern movies (though I'm not much into Japan).

Though I write my movie reviews in French (well I +/- topped before the Covid lockdown and haven't returned to it), I post them in RYM and you can see them there under the Cooltrane username.
https://rateyourmusic.com/~CoolTrane

As for historical (patrimonial stuff) films like B&W & such, I'm not much into them and I have a tough time being interested  in pre-70's movies.


I know you said you had a tough time being interested in pre-70s movies, but do you remember any from the 70s? And do you remember even the titles pre-1970s?
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most people don't watch movies with subtitles or movies out of their comfort zone, so you're surprised people don't know Middle Eastern/Arabic movies?! Ermm
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Originally posted by MortSahlFan MortSahlFan wrote:


I know you said you had a tough time being interested in pre-70s movies, but do you remember any from the 70s? And do you remember even the titles pre-1970s?


no , I meant in general, not midlle-eastern movies.
All pre-70's movies (US or European)... or should I say all pre-65 movies.
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Favourite Middle-Eastern-themed movies:-

Lawrence of Arabia (1962)
The Wind and the Lion (1975)
Three Kings (1999)
The Hurt Locker (2008)
Carry On Follow That Camel (1967)


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^ not what the OP was talking about. LOL
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

^ not what the OP was talking about. LOL

I know, but I chose those five films because they don't come with subtitles. Tongue
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

^ not what the OP was talking about. LOL

I know, but I chose those five films because they don't come with subtitles. Tongue

should you if what you chose does not address the purpose of the thread? Confused
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

^ not what the OP was talking about. LOL

I know, but I chose those five films because they don't come with subtitles. Tongue

should you if what you chose does not address the purpose of the thread? Confused
I just wanted the OP to know that Middle-Eastern-themed movies haven't been ignored by me. Big smile
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

^ not what the OP was talking about. LOL

I know, but I chose those five films because they don't come with subtitles. Tongue

should you if what you chose does not address the purpose of the thread? Confused
I just wanted the OP to know that Middle-Eastern-themed movies haven't been ignored by me. Big smile

so you are answering a question he has not asked, basically... LOL
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Originally posted by MortSahlFan MortSahlFan wrote:

There's a movie within a movie within a movie. I can't remember the title, but there was one about this little girl actress, and it's done so well, I wasn't sure if it was part of the story, or if it was part of the movie they were filming (which we don't discover until around that time). Abbas Kiarostami is another name. "Close-Up" is an amazing idea, but "Taste of Cherry" is my favorite of his. Even the ending is unique and metaphysical.

I think you are referring to 'The Mirror' Jafar Panahi's 2nd film, about a girl who isn't picked up from school, takes the bus home and suddenly says she doesn't want to act anymore, half way through the film... yes, it breaks the 4th wall really effectively and if Haneke had written it, it would be far better known.

Close-Up is a superb film which unites Makhmalbaf and Kiarostami, two of the key protagonists of the vibrant Iranian New Wave...
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Originally posted by MortSahlFan MortSahlFan wrote:

I think part of it is celebrity. People know Bergman is Swedish, but probably can't name 5 other directors from Sweden. Japan and Kurosawa, even Abbas Kiarostami and Iran.

Ruben Oslund (Swe), Hirokazu Kore-eda (Jap) and Asghar Farhadi (Iran) are 3 of my favourite directors working today.... 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

^ not what the OP was talking about. LOL

I have a feeling that "Carry On Follow That Camel" is probably not what the OP had in mind. Tongue
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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by MortSahlFan MortSahlFan wrote:

There's a movie within a movie within a movie. I can't remember the title, but there was one about this little girl actress, and it's done so well, I wasn't sure if it was part of the story, or if it was part of the movie they were filming (which we don't discover until around that time). Abbas Kiarostami is another name. "Close-Up" is an amazing idea, but "Taste of Cherry" is my favorite of his. Even the ending is unique and metaphysical.

I think you are referring to 'The Mirror' Jafar Panahi's 2nd film, about a girl who isn't picked up from school, takes the bus home and suddenly says she doesn't want to act anymore, half way through the film... yes, it breaks the 4th wall really effectively and if Haneke had written it, it would be far better known.

Close-Up is a superb film which unites Makhmalbaf and Kiarostami, two of the key protagonists of the vibrant Iranian New Wave...


That's the one, thanks!

"Close-Up" is great, but did you see "Taste of Cherry"? It's my favorite by Kiarostami, but I haven't been able to find a third great one. Don't remember liking "Where Is My Friend's Home?" too much, or this newer one that starts in some art gallery, museum, curating... in French.
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