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MortSahlFan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: March 01 2018 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 3159 |
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chat on dozens of movie sites, and movies from this region are ignored.
I must admit I have seen barely more than a dozen or so, but a couple
of years ago, after seeing a documentary on TCM, I saw an Egyptian movie
(Chit-Chat On The Nile) and it was so different, yet so great. I
remember seeing "Cairo '30" (which was probably the best, not my
favorite that I mentioned above), "Cairo Station" and "There Is A Man In
Our House". I can't remember the others, but I'm guessing they were
probably directed by Henry Barakat, and starred Famen Hamama or Omar
Sharif. Adapted or written by Mahfouz, who's shown to be one hell of a
writer. I actually remember reading about him in Time Magazine when I
was a kid. I also remember telling my aunt, who said, "He was kind of
perverted" and went on to say how great Khalil Jibran was. Last
year, TCM started showing a documentary series called, "Women Make
Film", and they were saying how many women were producers, directors,
writers, and leading ladies, of course. I added movies to my
watch-list... And a few days ago, someone on another site started an
Egyptian thread. There's
some really good Iranian movies. It seems like half are very
metaphysical. There's a movie within a movie within a movie. I can't
remember the title, but there was one about this little girl actress,
and it's done so well, I wasn't sure if it was part of the story, or if
it was part of the movie they were filming (which we don't discover
until around that time). Abbas Kiarostami is another name. "Close-Up" is
an amazing idea, but "Taste of Cherry" is my favorite of his. Even the
ending is unique and metaphysical. What
I've admired the most is the writing, regardless of who it is. A lot of
social commentary, sometimes political, mixed in with love stories, and
always searching for some kind of truth within the main characters. The
"heavies" are always boorish and logical, while the third wheel (the
single unmarried man) is always the romantic one. The women can't be
described. Sensuous, but modest. Romantic, but trying to be responsible.
Traditional at times, but constantly breaking with the past. I should
point out most of the movies I have seen were from the 1950s and 60s. "Dry Summer" is an excellent Turkish movie. Great story, acting, etc. One
thing that's common in all of them is the beautiful poetry. With the
story, themes, writing, acting, cinematography, music - everything. I
also remember studying the first civilizations in school here in the
US.. I still remember reading about the first city of Ur, Mesopotamia,
the beginning of alphabet/writing (Sumerian), the wheel, and a million
other inventions, such as irrigation, the Tigris and the Euphrates, the
pyramids, the center of the three major Abrahamic religions, and this
isn't ignored in the movies, even if it's not explicit. Sometimes you'll
be watching a love story, and a couple meet by the pyramids, or someone
tells their friend to meet them in Mosul, but of course the more
intellectual movies mention politics, the history of societies, you name
it.... The US is such a young country, there's only so much we can
extrapolate and make into a movie with the limited palette. I
also remember reading how one movie in the 1950s had such an influence
in Egypt, that it made it much easier for women to divorce. "JFK" is a
horrible movie (Jim Garrison is the hero, not stone) but it also helped
to change the law when it came to transparency. I'm
obsessed with chronology, capturing the zeitgeist (as opposed to the
typical world events) in part to learn about history, trends, influence,
comparing fiction with real life for its time, evolution of film, so I
would start with the earliest movies, and move forward, to see how they
got here at this point in history. I would see more, but finding
subtitles can be tough, but there are some movies on YouTube (usually
the popular ones, not the best) and one I really liked from 1972 that I
saw yesterday after scrolling around Prime and seeing the interesting
title, "Empire M", and it's a really unique movie. I just saw "The River
of Love" but the translations could use improvement, and I might try to
upload my own. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeobF02KPeI&t=1313s Have you seen any? |
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Honestly, I'm too familiar with the Arabic culture. I lived amongst them a long(ish) time too. (Mardin/Midyat/Estel) They are great people. But, just because of this fact, the Arabian and the Middle-Eastern (in general) cultural products are not very alluring to me. Because I know their real culture. That's why I'm very interested in the Chinese culture. Because it is mysterious to me. The European/American culture is also interesting, as they show me the things that I'm not aware of. Though, not as mysterious as the Chinese culture. As I've had many many European and American friends. I still talk to some of them. Today, we chatted with a Greek friend of mine. I celebrated his birthday.
I once read an interview with an American director. He was asked why they only show the suburbs of Turkey in their movies. His explanation made PERFECT sense to me. He said, he made films that are in the metropolitan parts of Turkey, and the audience just aren't interested in them. BECAUSE there's New York there. Their (your) audience is interested to see things that they lack. I mean, you also have suburbian places, but our metropols are just the cheap replicas of yours. I didn't mean that our metropols are bad. I LOVE Ankara, İzmir and a bit of Istanbul. But, there's New York there. ![]() I'm presenting this perspective, and it might shock most of the Turks. As they believe that, they show Turkey's suburban places to your audience, ONLY to do us evil. Edited by Shadowyzard - November 19 2021 at 09:58 |
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But most people DONT know their culture, so you'd think there would be a lot more interest.
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^ You're definitely right. And this is a very honourable attitude of yours. I only explained the reason of my "little" interest.
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I think part of it is celebrity. People know Bergman is Swedish, but
probably can't name 5 other directors from Sweden. Japan and Kurosawa,
even Abbas Kiarostami and Iran.
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Over
the last 10 years, I've seen dozens of fiction movies made from Morocco
all the way to Iran (and further), gpoing thru Algeria, Tunisia, a
couple from Egypt, a few from Lebanon, and a surprising amount from
Kurdistan (or about Kurdistan), a few Turkish and even a couple
Kirghiz/Mongol films. In western Europe, they
are distributed in the A&E (arts & essays) movie houses and
remains between 2 & 4 weeks, which means that one has to be quick in
catching them. But then again from the 40 to
70 movies/year I see in theatres (depending on the year), only 5% will
be US/UK, as I favour Continental Europe (+/- 50%), the rest being Latin
America, Middle Eastern and Far-Eastern movies (though I'm not much
into Japan). Though I write my movie
reviews in French (well I +/- topped before the Covid lockdown and
haven't returned to it), I post them in RYM and you can see them there
under the Cooltrane username. https://rateyourmusic.com/~CoolTrane Edited by Sean Trane - November 19 2021 at 16:29 |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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MortSahlFan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: March 01 2018 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 3159 |
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I know you said you had a tough time being interested in pre-70s movies, but do you remember any from the 70s? And do you remember even the titles pre-1970s?
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most people don't watch movies with subtitles or movies out of their comfort zone, so you're surprised people don't know Middle Eastern/Arabic movies?!
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no , I meant in general, not midlle-eastern movies. All pre-70's movies (US or European)... or should I say all pre-65 movies.
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They move at a camel's pace
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Offline Points: 45236 |
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Favourite Middle-Eastern-themed movies:-
Lawrence of Arabia (1962) The Wind and the Lion (1975) Three Kings (1999) The Hurt Locker (2008) Carry On Follow That Camel (1967)
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^ not what the OP was talking about.
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Offline Points: 45236 |
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I know, but I chose those five films because they don't come with subtitles.
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 46700 |
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should you if what you chose does not address the purpose of the thread?
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Offline Points: 45236 |
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I just wanted the OP to know that Middle-Eastern-themed movies haven't been ignored by me.
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so you are answering a question he has not asked, basically...
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I think you are referring to 'The Mirror' Jafar Panahi's 2nd film, about a girl who isn't picked up from school, takes the bus home and suddenly says she doesn't want to act anymore, half way through the film... yes, it breaks the 4th wall really effectively and if Haneke had written it, it would be far better known. Close-Up is a superb film which unites Makhmalbaf and Kiarostami, two of the key protagonists of the vibrant Iranian New Wave...
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Ruben Oslund (Swe), Hirokazu Kore-eda (Jap) and Asghar Farhadi (Iran) are 3 of my favourite directors working today....
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Offline Points: 45236 |
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I have a feeling that "Carry On Follow That Camel" is probably not what the OP had in mind.
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MortSahlFan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: March 01 2018 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 3159 |
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That's the one, thanks! "Close-Up" is great, but did you see "Taste of Cherry"? It's my favorite by Kiarostami, but I haven't been able to find a third great one. Don't remember liking "Where Is My Friend's Home?" too much, or this newer one that starts in some art gallery, museum, curating... in French.
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