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genesis24601 
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Posted: November 27 2005 at 20:41 |
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Note- I am not trying to put down any political party. All political parties have pros and cons.
I hope this is somewhat original. Anyways, I would think that most
proggers (such as I) are liberals, or at least open-minded. The lyrics
and complexity of the songs in this genre of music are not your average
feel good songs. You have to pay attention to the song, not have it
playing in the background. The lyrics are more philisophical,
story-like, and even political. Anyways, what do you think?
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goose
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Posted: November 27 2005 at 21:43 |
On the other hand, many proggers could be conservative because prog has pretensions to high art, which has certainly for a century been a staunchly upper class thing! 
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Ty1020
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Posted: November 27 2005 at 21:52 |
Many proggers are conservative in their views on the genre (just look
at the general reaction to new stuff like TMV around here), so I
wouldn't be surprised if a lot of prog fans were conservatives. I've
also heard that Rick Wakeman is a fully paid member of the UK
Conservative party, but I don't know if there's any truth behind that.
To be honest, proggers are one of the most closed-minded groups of
people I've ever known, so I really can't see most of them being truly
liberal .
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GPFR
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Posted: November 27 2005 at 21:55 |
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Conservitive here, I think music and politics are two very unrelated topics.
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FragileDT
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Posted: November 27 2005 at 22:04 |
 Ty1020 wrote:
Many proggers are conservative in their views on the genre (just look
at the general reaction to new stuff like TMV around here), so I
wouldn't be surprised if a lot of prog fans were conservatives. I've
also heard that Rick Wakeman is a fully paid member of the UK
Conservative party, but I don't know if there's any truth behind that.
To be honest, proggers are one of the most closed-minded groups of
people I've ever known, so I really can't see most of them being truly
liberal .
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No way, the lyrics to the majority of the prog bands are easily liberal. I'm
not talking about the fans but most progressive bands touch base on
political such topics and I haven't heard one real conservative view from a
prog band. Genesis (and PG solo)? Tull? Crimson? Rush? Floyd (and Waters
solo)? even Dream Theater. All of these bands just from the top of my
head hold liberal views in their songs.
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But glittering prizes
And endless Compromises
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FragileDT
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Posted: November 27 2005 at 22:07 |
GPFR wrote:
Conservitive here, I think music and politics are two very
unrelated topics.
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I don't. Music and politics cross all the time. Tons of songs are written about
politics and conditions in today's world and in fact, I can't really think of a
prog band off the top of my head that never touched base on war/peace,
saving society, corruption, ect...
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One likes to believe
In the freedom of music
But glittering prizes
And endless Compromises
Shatter the illusion
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goose
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Posted: November 27 2005 at 22:30 |
It's important to see this within the framework of time - often what were liberal views yesterday are the accepted norm of today - what were the accepted norms of the past often become the conservatism of the present, especially with the avalanche effect that the 60s had during the decades following it and leading up to today. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing presumably depends on how you voted above 
And yes, I do believe I read Wakeman is a conservative, and indeed Lake too.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: November 27 2005 at 22:30 |
I'm not from a rich family, everything we got is product of hard work, but I was always oriented towards the right.
But this is also a product of my reality, in the early 80's universities were controlled by extreme communists for 20 years, Shinning Path was already a menace, there was not a semester that ended without a general strike, so careers lasted 9 or 10 years.
Some communist leaders were supported by communist parties who paidtheir careers, this guys took one or two classes each semester in order to remain as students for a decade, most of us couldn't afford this so we decided to regain control in democratic elections, we had to take a clear position against Communism, we were called Facists, extremist, Nazis (Funny because some of our candidates were Jewish), but we won, people started to worry about their studies, there was not a single strike after that.
So extreme communist positions were the ones that made us take right oriented positions.
But today most of us have ceter political orientations and the most liberals are precisely those who took the extreme communist postures.
Iván
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FragileDT
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Posted: November 27 2005 at 22:47 |
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Ohh I misread the question. I thought it said which political party do you
think prog bands generally would be. And that's what my previous answer
was.
As for me, I am a liberal. There are so many problems here in the US that
need to be attended to. We are wasting an extreme amount of money to
fund this war based on a weak if non-existent foundation. There is also tons
of abuse that goes on by outsourcing jobs and mistreating those workers
(and workers in the United States that are abused and make much much,
much less than minimum wage.) I could go on but there's just some
reasoning behind my political stance.
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One likes to believe
In the freedom of music
But glittering prizes
And endless Compromises
Shatter the illusion
Of integrity
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Ty1020
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Posted: November 27 2005 at 22:48 |
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FragileDT
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Posted: November 27 2005 at 23:04 |
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One likes to believe
In the freedom of music
But glittering prizes
And endless Compromises
Shatter the illusion
Of integrity
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GoldenSpiral
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Posted: November 28 2005 at 00:44 |
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we are all card-carrying libertarians.
end of story.
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Trotsky
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Posted: November 28 2005 at 00:54 |
You might want to check out the Political Compass Test thread in the discussions not related to music section ... more than 50 people took the test and the average progger seems to be moderate left supporter ... liberal/social democrat ...
In fact on the basis of that test, there are almost as many communists/Marxist socialists as conservatives here! 
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tardis
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Posted: November 28 2005 at 01:11 |
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I thought we were all meant to be Commie Pinkos?
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lunaticviolist
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Posted: November 28 2005 at 01:18 |
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Liberal, but I think this poll will end up being 50/50.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: November 28 2005 at 01:49 |
GoldenSpiral wrote:
we are all card-carrying libertarians.
end of story.
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BS...I'm a hardcore Republican.
Edited by TheProgtologist
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tardis
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Posted: November 28 2005 at 01:57 |
I'm a non-affiliated affiliate of the National Affiliated Affiliate Party For The Ressurection Of Affiliated Affiliates. 
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Kotro
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Posted: November 28 2005 at 04:08 |
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Where is the "none" option?
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Atkingani
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Posted: November 28 2005 at 10:28 |
Here in Brazil, liberal and conservative are the two faces of the same coin: RIGHT-WING.
But "right" here is a bad word, so even the rightest party will deny they are in the right-wing... then everyone is leftist and we have a myriad of leftist-types from the extreme-right-leftist till the extreme-left-leftist.
That way I am a progressive-center-leftist 
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Posted: November 28 2005 at 11:38 |
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Am I the only one that thinks that poloyics is messed up in general
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