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    Posted: September 06 2008 at 09:45
Follwing a tubthumping speech in St Paul, having accepted her vice presidential nomination, Sarah Palin has gone on to outline her vision for the state for which she is governor.

John McCains running mate may be governor of a vast beautiful wilderness, but she is clearly alligned to the oil industry. She is in fact sueing the Bush admin (that well renowned green lobby, and forefront of Americas 'loony left') for its wishy washy tree hugging policies on protecting the polar bear; a policy which she believes will jeapordize any opportunity to mine Alaska for it's natural resources..

Heralded by some in her party as a modern Maggie Thatcher (as if that is some kind of accolade) will America elect itself a republican government that will make the Bush admin look like the Green Party, or will America opt for this elusive 'change' that Obama frequently promises??

And on the question of Alaska, is it time to start drilling? Palins reasoning is, that if it's in the ground, there is no point in letting it just sit there, and of course the US coud probably do with becoming more self sufficient with it's oil provision??

Drill baby Drill!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 10:31
http://impalin.com/impalin/

The Jon Stewart video currently on the front page (today) spells it out perfectly.

And you are correct.  This ticket will make Bush/Cheney look like the Green Party.  It is reckless, and it turns out that McCain, not Obama, was the one to put an election above the country's interest. 

"Country First" my ass. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 10:41
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

http://impalin.com/impalin/

The Jon Stewart video currently on the front page (today) spells it out perfectly.

And you are correct.  This ticket will make Bush/Cheney look like the Green Party.  It is reckless, and it turns out that McCain, not Obama, was the one to put an election above the country's interest. 

"Country First" my ass. 


very ...very true...  posted a blog comment to that effect in the VP thread.. simple and pure politics...  does he REALLY think she is qualified to speak on any of these important matters. Like Obama or not.. he has a hell of a lot more experience regarding foreign affaris... in fact more than say... W in 2000.  We saw that where that got us... but talking to the wall here...   hopefully the 'sensible middle' .. who decide these elections.. not me on the left. .or our friends on the right will see that

this was a bad move potentially for our country.. hopefully people here can still think.. and vote responsibly. McCAIN is not 50 years old... there is a better than average chance he might not live through a first term. Oh well...  let's hope America is awake at the wheel.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 10:57
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

http://impalin.com/impalin/The Jon Stewart video currently on the front page (today) spells it out perfectly.And you are correct.  This ticket will make Bush/Cheney look like the Green Party.  It is reckless, and it turns out that McCain, not Obama, was the one to put an election above the country's interest.  "Country First" my ass. 


Absolutely. That Jon Stewart video is almost painful to watch. The double standards are beyond belief.

The US and indeed, the world can only hope that McCain and Palin are completely out of touch with the electorate, and what people want in the US. Will people still vote on a right wing 'oil' manifesto, or is there really a hunger for genuine change in the US?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 11:06
hahhaha.. no wonder they won't let reporters near her..

first question out of my mouth if I had the chance.. .tell me the two major branchs of Islam...

won't even ask her to explain the differences...

what a joke....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 11:22
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

hahhaha.. no wonder they won't let reporters near her..first question out of my mouth if I had the chance.. .tell me the two major branchs of Islam...won't even ask her to explain the differences...what a joke....

I'm pretty sure she would know that. She's being constantly prepped for the debate with Biden so she doesn't look like a fool, and I think they would cover that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 11:24
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

hahhaha.. no wonder they won't let reporters near her..first question out of my mouth if I had the chance.. .tell me the two major branchs of Islam...won't even ask her to explain the differences...what a joke....

I'm pretty sure she would know that. She's being constantly prepped for the debate with Biden so she doesn't look like a fool, and I think they would cover that.


seems Bush missed  that briefing before he invaded Iraq.....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 12:03
Regarding the title of this thread: that is an insult to Maggie Thatcher (and I'm not a Thatcher fanboy). 

More info on Ms. Hockey Mom:

About Sarah Palin: an e-mail from Wasilla
A suburban Anchorage homemaker and activist — who once did battle with the Alaska governor when Palin was mayor — recounts what she knows of Palin's history.
By Anne Kilkenny
Posted on September 2, 2008. Printed on September 6, 2008.
http://www.crosscut.com/2008-election/17341/

Editor's note: The writer is a homemaker and education advocate in Wasilla, Alaska. Late last week, Anne Kilkenny penned an e-mail for her friends about vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, whom she personally knows, that has since circulated across comment forums and blogs nationwide. Here is her e-mail in its entirety, posted with her permission.

I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Gov. Sarah Palin since 1992. Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her father was my child's favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a first-name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more City Council meetings during her administration than about 99 percent of the residents of the city.

She is enormously popular; in every way she's like the most popular girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice for vice president and won't vote for her can't quit smiling when talking about her because she is a "babe."

It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents for seven months.

She is "pro-life." She recently gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby. There is no cover-up involved here; Trig is her baby.

She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym.

She is savvy. She doesn't take positions; she just "puts things out there" and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.

Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin's kind of job is highly sought-after because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his work schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or so in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their major source of income. Nor has her lifestyle ever been anything like that of native Alaskans.

Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.

She's smart.

Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000 (at the time) and less than two years as governor of a state with about 670,000 residents.

During her mayoral administration, most of the actual work of running this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings, which had given rise to a recall campaign.

Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a "fiscal conservative." During her six years as mayor, she increased general government expenditures by more than 33 percent. During those same six years, the amount of taxes collected by the city increased by 38 percent. This was during a period of low inflation (1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a regressive sales tax, which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she promoted benefitted large corporate property owners way more than they benefited residents.

The huge increases in tax revenue during her mayoral administration weren't enough to fund everything on her wish list, though — borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt but left it with indebtedness of more than $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? Or a new library? No. $1 million for a park. $15 million-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex, which she rushed through, on a piece of property that the city didn't even have clear title to. That was still in litigation seven years later — to the delight of the lawyers involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5 million for road projects that could have been done in five to seven years without any borrowing.

While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office redecorated more than once.

These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.

As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as governor Sarah proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.

In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while she proposed distribution of surplus state revenue: Spend today's surplus, borrow for needs.

She's not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas or compromise. As mayor, she fought ideas that weren't generated by her or her staff. Ideas weren't evaluated on their merits but on the basis of who proposed them.

While Sarah was mayor of Wasilla, she tried to fire our highly respected city librarian because the librarian refused to consider removing from the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents rallied to the defense of the city librarian and against Palin's attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the librarian are on her enemies list to this day.

Sarah complained about the "old boy's club" when she first ran for mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of "old boys." Palin fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the city and as governor, she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people, creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally grateful and fiercely loyal — loyal to the point of abusing their power to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the case of pressuring the state's top cop.

As mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla's police chief because he "intimidated" her, she told the press. As governor, her recent firing of Alaska's top cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure and she had every legal right to fire him, but it's pretty clear that an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn't fire her sister's ex-husband, a state trooper. Under investigation for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than two dozen contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew her support.

She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town, introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council became one of her first targets when she was later elected mayor. She abruptly fired her loyal city administrator; even people who didn't like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.

Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything publicly about her.

When then-Gov. Frank Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got the best, chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission — one of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no background in oil and gas issues. Within months of scoring this great job, which paid $122,400 a year, she was complaining in the press about the high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this commission (who was also the state chair of the Republican Party) engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a gutsy fighter against the "old boys' club," when she dramatically quit, exposing this man's ethics violations (for which he was fined).

As mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from Sen. Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the "bridge to nowhere" after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.

As governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative action restored most of these projects — which had been vetoed simply because she was not aware of their importance — but with the unobservant she had gained a reputation as "anti-pork."

She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The state party leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a fiscal conservative.

Around Wasilla, there are people who went to high school with Sarah. They call her "Sarah Barracuda" because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made point guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah's mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and experienced manager, ran for mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.

As governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package of legislation known as "AGIA" that forced the oil companies to march to the beat of her drum.

Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR). She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to global warming. She campaigned "as a private citizen" against a state initiaitive that would have either protected salmon streams from pollution from mines or tied up in the courts all mining in the state (depending on whom you listen to). She has pushed the state's lawsuit against the Department of the Interior's decision to list polar bears as a threatened species.

McCain is the oldest person to ever run for president; Sarah will be a heartbeat away from being president.

There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more knowledgeable and experienced than she.

However, there are a lot of people who have underestimated her and are regretting it.
Claim vs. Fact

    * "Hockey mom": True for a few years
    * "PTA mom": True years ago when her first-born was in elementary school, not since
    * "NRA supporter": Absolutely true
    * Social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, but vetoed a bill that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships (said she did this because it was unconsitutional).
    * Pro-creationism: Mixed. Supports it, but did nothing as governor to promote it.
    * "Pro-life": Mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby but declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life legislation.
    * "Experienced": Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska. No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city administrator to run town of about 5,000.
    * Political maverick: Not at all.
    * Gutsy: Absolutely!
    * Open and transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at explaining actions.
    * Has a developed philosophy of public policy: No.
    * "A Greenie": No. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR.
    * Fiscal conservative: Not by my definition!
    * Pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built streets to early 20th century standards.
    * Pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on residents
    * Pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city government in Wasilla's history.
    * Pro-labor/pro-union: No. Just because her husband works union doesn't make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim that she is pro-labor/pro-union.

Why am I writing this?

First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years I put on student voting programs in the schools. If you google my name, you will find references to my participation in local government, education, and PTA/parent organizations.

Secondly, I've always operated in the belief that "bad things happen when good people stay silent." Few people know as much as I do because few have gone to as many City Council meetings.

Third, I am just a housewife. I don't have a job she can bump me out of. I don't belong to any organization that she can hurt. But I am no fool; she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that this will cost me somehow in the future: that's life.

Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100 or so people who rallied to support the city librarian against Sarah's attempt at censorship.

Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to say anything because they were somehow vulnerable.

Caveats: I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for the increase in spending and taxation two years ago (when Palin was running for governor) from information supplied to me by the finance director of the City of Wasilla, and I can't recall exactly what I adjusted for: Did I adjust for inflation? For population increases? Right now, it is impossible for a private person to get any info out of City Hall — they are swamped. So I can't verify my numbers.

You may have noticed that there are various numbers circulating for the population of Wasilla, ranging from my "about 5,000" up to 9,000. The day Palin's selection was announced, a city official told me that the current population is about 7,000. The official 2000 census count was 5,460. I have used about 5,000 because Palin was Mayor from 1996 to 2002, and the city was growing rapidly in the mid-1990s.

Anne Kilkenny is a homemaker and education advocate in Wasilla, Alaska.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 12:10
Everyday I learn more about what an awful person she is.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 12:58
She reminds me of Michael Palin, so she can't be absolutely evil. Or can she?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 22:08
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

http://impalin.com/impalin/

And you are correct.  This ticket will make Bush/Cheney look like the Green Party.  It is reckless, and it turns out that McCain, not Obama, was the one to put an election above the country's interest. 
  Don't you think that nominating Obama was the Democrats putting an election above the country's interest?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 22:13
Originally posted by IVNORD IVNORD wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

http://impalin.com/impalin/

And you are correct.  This ticket will make Bush/Cheney look like the Green Party.  It is reckless, and it turns out that McCain, not Obama, was the one to put an election above the country's interest. 
  Don't you think that nominating Obama was the Democrats putting an election above the country's interest?


Time will tell if even this was the case - I think they would have an easier time winning with Clinton, just my opinion.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 22:17
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

http://impalin.com/impalin/The Jon Stewart video currently on the front page (today) spells it out perfectly.And you are correct.  This ticket will make Bush/Cheney look like the Green Party.  It is reckless, and it turns out that McCain, not Obama, was the one to put an election above the country's interest.  "Country First" my ass. 


Absolutely. That Jon Stewart video is almost painful to watch. The double standards are beyond belief. 
  Agree. Though the double standards are nothing new. Gary Hart's political career was finished after the Rice affair, but they ignored Clinton's affair with Jennifer Flowers. Douglas Ginsburg nomination to the Supreme Court went up in smoke after in 1987 he admitted he'd smoked marijuana in the 60's, and the teflon Bill got away with murder for his not inhaling. You've got to get used to it by now.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 22:49
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

By Anne Kilkenny
Posted on September 2, 2008. Printed on September 6, 2008.
http://www.crosscut.com/2008-election/17341/

Claim vs. Fact

    * Social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, but vetoed a bill that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships (said she did this because it was unconsitutional).
    * Pro-creationism: Mixed. Supports it, but did nothing as governor to promote it.
    * "Pro-life": Mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby but declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life legislation.
   
I don't want to discuss the merits of this letter since all those statements should be checked and verified before they can be considered facts. So far it's just an opinion. However the three statements above are interesting. If they are true she may be not that conservative. At least in her public actions. Her private life is up to her 
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That "pro-creationism" is a measure of how "conservative" one is is just beyond sad.  I know plenty of people far more conservative than I am that don't believe any of that nonsense.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 22:52
Originally posted by IVNORD IVNORD wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

http://impalin.com/impalin/

And you are correct.  This ticket will make Bush/Cheney look like the Green Party.  It is reckless, and it turns out that McCain, not Obama, was the one to put an election above the country's interest. 
  Don't you think that nominating Obama was the Democrats putting an election above the country's interest?


How so?  He wasn't picked by a single person like Palin.  He won a very long and tough primary fight, selected by the voters.  If you are saying you think the voters voted for him based on electability only, I'd say some did, but not all.  And those who did may well have been wrong.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 22:56
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by IVNORD IVNORD wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

http://impalin.com/impalin/

And you are correct.  This ticket will make Bush/Cheney look like the Green Party.  It is reckless, and it turns out that McCain, not Obama, was the one to put an election above the country's interest. 
  Don't you think that nominating Obama was the Democrats putting an election above the country's interest?


Time will tell if even this was the case - I think they would have an easier time winning with Clinton, just my opinion.
Actually the same would have applied to her if she was nominated. Although probably she would have been a better candidate .
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 22:58
I just don't understand all this frothing at the mouth from the liberals/Democrats about Palin.  Do they think they're actually going to lose this election?  Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 23:00
Originally posted by IVNORD IVNORD wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

By Anne Kilkenny
Posted on September 2, 2008. Printed on September 6, 2008.
http://www.crosscut.com/2008-election/17341/

Claim vs. Fact

    * Social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, but vetoed a bill that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships (said she did this because it was unconsitutional).
    * Pro-creationism: Mixed. Supports it, but did nothing as governor to promote it.
    * "Pro-life": Mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby but declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life legislation.
   
I don't want to discuss the merits of this letter since all those statements should be checked and verified before they can be considered facts. So far it's just an opinion. However the three statements above are interesting. If they are true she may be not that conservative. At least in her public actions. Her private life is up to her 


Agreed there if she's running for Senate, Governor, etc....But  I  think a P/VP candidate needs lots of scrutiny because that person will control the nuclear arsenal. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 23:04
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

I just don't understand all this frothing at the mouth from the liberals/Democrats about Palin.  Do they think they're actually going to lose this election?  Confused


Well, I'm not a "liberal" on all issues, but to answer your question, Yes I think Obama will lose.  Bush won twice.  We're gluttons for punishment apparently. 

The frothing at the mouth is justified when you consider this person could control the military and be a complete fluff. If that's not something to be concerned about, frankly, what the F is?
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