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    Posted: August 17 2009 at 04:23

I was listening to The Doors again lately...hell, I've been retracing a lot of steps lately. I even dug out some olde Residents material (that Snakefinger, quite an underrated guitarist). Anyhoo, Doors, yes...

Whilst listening to "When the Music's Over," it occured to me how masterful the band had become with manipulating the sonic quality of their material over the course of a single album. In other words, there ain't nothin' that goes jazzy-tap-jazzy-tap-tap-BOOM!!! on the first album like there is on the second. I mean, it really works. The organ is louder, the guitar sounds like a monster, the drums are heavy as a sumo champion (line stolen), and Morrison screams his crazy hair off...and then it dissolves into calm-before-the-storm jazz. 

Que? 

My question is...where did this come from? I imagine that someone like the Beatles did it first...they usually did. Unless it was the Yardbirds. They sometimes "did it first." Or The Beach Boys maybe. 

But, seriously, what's the first time sonic levels and quality was used to drastically alter the mood of the listener, ala The Doors? Or WAS it The Doors? Eerie, eh? 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2009 at 05:00
Hmm... Deep Purple Mk 1 was the first name that sprang to mind, but Shades came out a six months after Strange Days
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2009 at 05:30
it may have come from their own experience as an L.A. bar band, constantly gigging and discovering the power of light-to-heavy and back again.. just a guess

I know one of the reasons guys like Plant and Daltry started increasing their dynamic range was so they'd be heard over the band






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2009 at 05:38
I believe the Mothers of Invention did a lot of this on their debut Freak Out, which was after all the album that inspired the Beatles to go experimental. Though I guess that the Beach Boys also had some experimental use of texture what with the theremins in Good Vibrations....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2009 at 02:53

Certainly, and if memory serves, there is a track off the seminal Pet Sounds ("You Still Believe in Me") in which there is a dramatic pause at the end of the song, followed by a louder repeat of the main phrase. 

As for early Zappa, I don't know nothin' about it other than "Brown Shoes Don't Make It."

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2009 at 02:53
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

it may have come from their own experience as an L.A. bar band, constantly gigging and discovering the power of light-to-heavy and back again.. just a guess

I know one of the reasons guys like Plant and Daltry started increasing their dynamic range was so they'd be heard over the band

You have no idea how much I want to believe this...so I will. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2009 at 12:06
I wonder if it didn't begin with the recordings of... classical music.
Once, my guitar teacher explained me that the levels on the classical music records weren't always "equal": the quiet parts were quiet, the loud parts were LOUD. The contrast was more important than on jazz or pop records.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2009 at 12:22
Originally posted by The Whistler The Whistler wrote:

Certainly, and if memory serves, there is a track off the seminal Pet Sounds ("You Still Believe in Me") in which there is a dramatic pause at the end of the song, followed by a louder repeat of the main phrase. 

As for early Zappa, I don't know nothin' about it other than "Brown Shoes Don't Make It.

Pet Sounds also predates even the first Mothers of Invention LP, so the Beach Boys it is! Approve

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 21 2009 at 01:36
Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

Originally posted by The Whistler The Whistler wrote:

Certainly, and if memory serves, there is a track off the seminal Pet Sounds ("You Still Believe in Me") in which there is a dramatic pause at the end of the song, followed by a louder repeat of the main phrase. 

As for early Zappa, I don't know nothin' about it other than "Brown Shoes Don't Make It.

Pet Sounds also predates even the first Mothers of Invention LP, so the Beach Boys it is! Approve

Holy...crap! Really? That honestly is, like, the most important album ever. Well, after Aqualung, of course...

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