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Smurph
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Topic: This is not for fun. Some questions. Posted: November 04 2013 at 11:18 |
I was going to post in "just for fun" but this is not for fun.
How does anyone here not hate everything? How does anyone feel anything positive about the direction our collective conscious mind is headed? How does anyone feel relaxed? What is morality? Are any of us moral? Is life really a gift? What about when your gluttonous Americanized existence does more harm than good for the planet? Does that make your life a plague?
What are we other than parasites?
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timothy leary
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Posted: November 04 2013 at 11:22 |
Who has proved there is a 'collective conscious mind" ?
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Padraic
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Posted: November 04 2013 at 12:09 |
The answer to your question is alcohol. If that doesn't work, try Xanax.
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smartpatrol
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Posted: November 04 2013 at 12:11 |
idk, being extremely cynical and enjoying life for what it is seems to be working out fine for me
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timothy leary
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Posted: November 04 2013 at 12:13 |
Padraic wrote:
The answer to your question is alcohol. If that doesn't work, try Xanax. |
Or a mix of both.
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HolyMoly
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Posted: November 04 2013 at 12:19 |
I have some answers to your questions, but I'd rather keep them private and am sending them to you via PM.
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The T
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Posted: November 04 2013 at 12:33 |
No, there isn't a collective conscious mind, yes, we are parasites.
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JJLehto
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Posted: November 04 2013 at 12:38 |
Greg, you're a great guy and I admire your unflinching morals and willingness to take anything to task, but dude do you really live with this 24/7 soul crushing guilt? Seen more than plenty of it on "FB" and sure you "joke" but honestly you seem to loathe living, sans making music. Multiple times now you've either outright said or implied you seem to feel guilty about everything, taking the weight of America's sins and the ills of humanity on your soul.
America kinda sucks. Our government, our advertising consumerist to the max culture, our media, everything is saturated with advertising and planning, often I feel like I'm in a haze. But ya know, I enjoy music, reading, writing, taking a walk, going out to eat and/or drink with friends. Do a little bit here and there to try and make a positive influence, because I cant change the world, and if I don't take on a bit of selfishness (as in shutting my mind off to many things) well I'd probably want to kill myself. I also shut my mind off to my mind, otherwise I'd think about literally everything to death and be clinically insane by now.
So guess I get by thanks to being a selfish f**ker, (backed up with illusions of grandeur of changing the world some day to justify my living now  ) and I guess I didn't answer any of your questions.
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Horizons
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Posted: November 04 2013 at 12:44 |
Id get off the computer.
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Smurph
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Posted: November 04 2013 at 12:46 |
Haha. Well there isn't a true "collective conscious mind" but as we all get more digitized our "social culture" turns closer and closer into a hive mind. Just read through comments on websites like Gawker or Huffington Post. Those people are all part of one mind imo.
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Smurph
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Posted: November 04 2013 at 12:51 |
Thanks to anyone who answers though. Just having a bit of open thought vomit on the forum.
And guilt is a very difficult subject. Overwhelming. Is it real guilt? Or do I force guilt on myself to make myself feel worse? Doesn't everyone do this to some degree?
This is way too serious a line of thought for a website like this.
Should probably keep my thoughts to myself.
Or maybe get a therapist.
Edited by Smurph - November 04 2013 at 13:04
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JJLehto
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Posted: November 04 2013 at 12:59 |
Smurph wrote:
And guilt is a very difficult subject. Overwhelming. Is it real guilt? Or do I force guilt on myself to make myself feel worse? |
From what I can tell, you absolutely do that.
Smurph wrote:
Doesn't everyone do this to some degree? |
Yes
Horizons wrote:
Id get off the computer. |
Honestly, fairly sound advice.
Funny as it sounds I felt a bit better as I did this. Seeing everyone's (insert thing I dont like) all over FB every day, or their success, (or reminders of my failings) and etc etc drove me crazy, as did seeing news about why all sucks, politics is evil, and so on
So I stopped being around it
Not a cure all but it helps
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Neelus
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Posted: November 04 2013 at 13:03 |
The movers and shakers are there because they worked hard to get there.
If what they do bothers you, work harder than them and take them out.
Otherwise, stop crying about it. It changes nothing.
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Smurph
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Posted: November 04 2013 at 13:12 |
Neelus wrote:
The movers and shakers are there because they worked hard to get there.
If what they do bothers you, work harder than them and take them out.
Otherwise, stop crying about it. It changes nothing.
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Yea because if I work hard enough I'll totally be able to stop the United States government from practicing their drone program. Yea. Thanks dude. Omg! I didn't know that if I worked hard enough I could help the Indonesian people take back their government from the capitalist criminals that committed mass genocides!
I didn't see my questions as complaining. I saw my questions as actual things that I wanted to ask the individuals on this site. I want to know why everyone else doesn't want to kill themselves. I want to know how other people look at their lives and the lives of the people in the world around them and continue living.
The only thing that you did is complain about me complaining.
Edited by Smurph - November 04 2013 at 13:14
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Blacksword
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Posted: November 04 2013 at 13:15 |
Smurph wrote:
I was going to post in "just for fun" but this is not for fun.
How does anyone here not hate everything? How does anyone feel anything positive about the direction our collective conscious mind is headed? How does anyone feel relaxed? What is morality? Are any of us moral? Is life really a gift? What about when your gluttonous Americanized existence does more harm than good for the planet? Does that make your life a plague?
What are we other than parasites? |
We are all individuals with the capacity for individual thoughts and perspectives. This has always been case and the internet has no bearing on this principle.
If your 'gluttonous Americanized lifestyle' is bothering you, then change it. No one is forcing anyone to get fat, under achieve and blindly agree with everything Rachel Maddow (sp)or whoever tells you.
We're not a plague on the Earth. Those who try to manipulate our minds with propoganda, wage wars under the ruse of national security or rig our economic system for failure for their own self gain are the plague. Don't let them make you feel guilty for driving a car or eating meat. Take control. Get a grip.
I'm not getting at you personally, btw..
Edited by Blacksword - November 04 2013 at 13:15
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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JJLehto
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Posted: November 04 2013 at 13:19 |
Blacksword wrote:
Smurph wrote:
I was going to post in "just for fun" but this is not for fun.
How does anyone here not hate everything? How does anyone feel anything positive about the direction our collective conscious mind is headed? How does anyone feel relaxed? What is morality? Are any of us moral? Is life really a gift? What about when your gluttonous Americanized existence does more harm than good for the planet? Does that make your life a plague?
What are we other than parasites? |
We are all individuals with the capacity for individual thoughts and perspectives. This has always been case and the internet has no bearing on this principle.
If your 'gluttonous Americanized lifestyle' is bothering you, then change it. No one is forcing anyone to get fat, under achieve and blindly agree with everything Rachel Maddow (sp)or whoever tells you.
We're not a plague on the Earth. Those who try to manipulate our minds with propoganda, wage wars under the ruse of national security or rig our economic system for failure for their own self gain are the plague. Don't let them make you feel guilty for driving a car or eating meat. Take control. Get a grip.
I'm not getting at you personally, btw..  |
Beautifully said.
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smartpatrol
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Posted: November 04 2013 at 13:21 |
Smurph wrote:
Yea because if I work hard enough I'll totally be able to stop the United States government from practicing their drone program. Yea. Thanks dude. Omg! I didn't know that if I worked hard enough I could help the Indonesian people take back their government from the capitalist criminals that committed mass genocides! |
I think it's pointless to be in that line of thinking. When it comes down to it, you can do very little, it takes an incredible amount of time, effort, people, and intelligence to get any significant change done. You have to take it easy, and just focus on being happy with your self and that your loved ones are happy, and hopefully everything else in the world will sort it's self out.
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JJLehto
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Posted: November 04 2013 at 13:23 |
Also if you want my personal answer, I've never contemplated it but even if I did, I could never kill myself because there are people who would be seriously negatively impacted by it. Even if it's only one person, well IDK pretty selfish of me isnt it? I try to not be a negative impact on others so right there, I could never do that. How can I put my loved ones through such heavy, and totally needless, emotional stress?
Especially over my life, which I'm pretty grateful for. I was born in a middle class, American family, and a good one.
To end my life over outside factors seems selfish IMO, esp since I didn't "earn" or "deserve" this life. Just like how a kid born in absolute poverty in a war torn land with a bleak chance of survival doesn't deserve that. So f**k, how can I end my life? The idea of it seems almost wrong considering how lucky I am through no doing of my own.
However, I am now old enough to start making my own life.
It's good to be worldly man, to not be a dumb mindless sheep drifting through, we should know the ills and injustices and so on, be grounded, let people know "this is wrong". But we can only control our lives...this is why I don't just end it, and dont feel constant guilt and dont hate everything, because I choose not to. All we can do.
Or, seriously try to get into politics. Most laugh at the idea but why not? Try to get into journalism, or just get to the masses any way you can. Go into economics and try to change the thinking of the world. This has happened you know.
Edited by JJLehto - November 04 2013 at 13:36
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Neelus
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Posted: November 04 2013 at 13:37 |
Smurph wrote:
Neelus wrote:
The movers and shakers are there because they worked hard to get there.
If what they do bothers you, work harder than them and take them out.
Otherwise, stop crying about it. It changes nothing.
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Yea because if I work hard enough I'll totally be able to stop the United States government from practicing their drone program. Yea. Thanks dude. Omg! I didn't know that if I worked hard enough I could help the Indonesian people take back their government from the capitalist criminals that committed mass genocides!
I didn't see my questions as complaining. I saw my questions as actual things that I wanted to ask the individuals on this site. I want to know why everyone else doesn't want to kill themselves. I want to know how other people look at their lives and the lives of the people in the world around them and continue living.
The only thing that you did is complain about me complaining.
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Very successful people have more power of influence than the lesser. Individuals have made big changes in the past, and will continue to do so in the future. It is good that you realized you will never be powerful enough to change anything, at least you are honest to yourself in that regard. I am not successful. However, I do wish I had the time on my hands to think about killing myself. The fact is, I have people to take care of, which means I don't have that luxury.
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Smurph
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Posted: November 04 2013 at 13:47 |
JJLehto wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
Smurph wrote:
I was going to post in "just for fun" but this is not for fun.
How does anyone here not hate everything? How does anyone feel anything positive about the direction our collective conscious mind is headed? How does anyone feel relaxed? What is morality? Are any of us moral? Is life really a gift? What about when your gluttonous Americanized existence does more harm than good for the planet? Does that make your life a plague?
What are we other than parasites? |
We are all individuals with the capacity for individual thoughts and perspectives. This has always been case and the internet has no bearing on this principle.
If your 'gluttonous Americanized lifestyle' is bothering you, then change it. No one is forcing anyone to get fat, under achieve and blindly agree with everything Rachel Maddow (sp)or whoever tells you.
We're not a plague on the Earth. Those who try to manipulate our minds with propoganda, wage wars under the ruse of national security or rig our economic system for failure for their own self gain are the plague. Don't let them make you feel guilty for driving a car or eating meat. Take control. Get a grip.
I'm not getting at you personally, btw..  |
Beautifully said.
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Yea that's probably the best thing to say to me. I apologize to everyone for slightly freaking out. Kept asking myself these questions over and over and was unable to give any positive answers to myself due to the specific mindset.
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