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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2011 at 07:56
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

"Children use yellow becaue they are "conditioned" to use yellow from kindergarten, all depictions of the sun in children's books are yellow - they are copying those, not the sun itself."


What do you think of that Sean?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2011 at 08:18

I see some potential customers for my new anti-aging formula in this thread.

You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2011 at 08:47
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

That's what you call deep blue...you forgot what deep blue is
Nope. That photograph was looking north at 17hr11 using a lens with about 30º field of view so it does not show the sky directly overhead, which would have been a deeper blue for reasons explained several times already
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:


What lead us back to the topic issue: usually the sunlight is white in Spring and yellow mellow in Autumn. Now it's white and blazing all the time,
The colour of the sky and the sun is dependant upon the angle of incidence of the light hitting the atmosphere, thus will vary with the time of day, the time of year, and the latitude of where you are.
 
During the spring and autumn equinox the earth is perpendicular to the tilt of the earth resulting in day and nights of approximately equal length, this also means that the apparent colour of the sun will be similar at these times of the year.
 
Please, give photographic evidence of the sun during spring and autumn that supports your "memory"
 
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

 whatever the season but i understand that it's too subtle for many.
If all else fails, patronise.
 
Electronic measurement instrumentation is far more sensitive, reliable and accurate than any human observer - we have a brain that processes the images we see, that can make perceptions from received information - for example it is well known that the eye does not process the whole of an image continuously, it blanks out unchanging data to reduce "processing" time, it is also well known that colour information is quickly discarded at low light levels so that the brain can process the low-light monochrome image much more accurately and more quickly. Camera's cannot do this, and for that reason they are more reliable in determining such things as true colour - for example under yellow tungsten bulbs like Hugues described we see every thing as "Normal", yet our brain is processing that image and making colour adjustments to make it look normal - take a photograph of that image without using flash and the whole field of view is deep orange.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2011 at 09:12
Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

I see some potential customers for my new anti-aging formula in this thread.


Is it 90% snake oil?Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2011 at 09:15
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

I see some potential customers for my new anti-aging formula in this thread.


Is it 90% snake oil?Wink
 
It's a proprietary formula I personally developed. Mainstream medicine doesn't fully understand the concepts behind this revolutionary new blend of old and new world ideas.
 
(Sound good?)
You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2011 at 10:01
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

This is the cloud the way it should be.
that was called the iNternet when I was younger.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
...of course it was more yellow then. Geek
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2011 at 10:05
This thread could be on the Flat Earth Forum judging by the gross ignorance of science being displayed.
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2011 at 10:36
Oliver, does the sun push walls? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2011 at 11:18
Here in the western washington area we so rarely see the sun so we don't know what color it is
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2011 at 11:23
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

This thread could be on the Flat Earth Forum judging by the gross ignorance of science being displayed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2011 at 12:09
Everybody who has been to the sun knows it's actually blue...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2011 at 12:32
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2011 at 12:46
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

This thread could be on the Flat Earth Forum judging by the gross ignorance of science being displayed.
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(any assistance/corrections gratefully received)


From what I've read your optics analysis seems to be accurate and you seem to get frustrated more slowly than I.
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2011 at 12:46



          Impact on the climate through air traffic

The amount of greenhouse gases emitted during a flight is dependent on two main factors: The amount of fuel burned, and the engine type.

The amount of fuel burned depends on the distance travelled, flight altitude, weather conditions, aerodynamics and the weight loaded. A precise calculation per flight is therefore extremely complicated and not practical. In practice, average values are therefore used to calculate emissions for flights.

Normally the emissions of greenhouse gases per passenger and 100 kilometres are calculated ("100 passenger kilometres"). The emission of CO2 per 100 passenger kilometres is between around 11.6 kg (long haul flights) and 26.2 kg (short haul flights) (Source: ecoinvent). Aside from CO2 , air traffic causes numerous further climate-impacting emissions. Therefore the total impact of air traffic on global warming is higher than that of the effect of the CO2 emissions alone by a factor of around to 2 to 4. In order to take these other climate-impacting air traffic emissions into account, the myclimate flight calculator multiplies the pure CO2 emissions by a factor of 2.


Source: http://www.myclimate.org/en/information-climate-tips/facts-about-climate-change/traffic-as-co2-producer/air-traffic.html






http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/4122160-418/increased-air-traffic-may-be-a-factor-in-climate-change.html

http://www.theozonehole.com/airtraffic.htm

http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v1/n1/full/nclimate1068.html
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2011 at 12:57
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:


BTW Sean, we installed several luminotherapy bulbs at home last winter (because the sun has became so rare that we needed compensation) and it's the "spring light", white light.
This has piqued my curiosity because it appears to be a contradiction. Luminotherapy lamps emit a white light that is spectrally very similar to daylight - the bulbs in these lamps are the same PLL fluorescent lamps which I use in my aquarium to keep the fish happy - the colour temperature of those is around 5500K (or what is termed vertical daylight), however, "springlight" CFL's are designed to mimic incandescent lamps and have a colour temperature of 2700K (ie they are warmer in colour - not daylight at all).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2011 at 13:16
I don't know. I was expecting a warm light (what i call autumn light) and it's a white/spring light.

As you know, for indoor cultivation there are two kinds of lights
which imitates the different lights you get outddor in Spring and Autumn:

The blue one (spring light) and the yellow one that imitates
Autumn, but you told me you never heard of that.

Of course it has to do with the angle how light go through
the atmosphere, the autumn/winter sunbeams are soft and horizontal.

That's why my explanation makes sense: sunbeams are dispersed by the layer of steam water/soot and so the sun is large, white, blazing and has a star shape instead of yellow, round as it has always looked until recently. Now the sunbeam is not really horizontal anymore in Autumn/winter as the beams are dispersed in all directions.



Can you find a recent pic of a very bright star night?






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2011 at 13:20
Since the topic now seems to be color temperature:


It's a nice tool that adjusts the color temperature of your screen during night time - it's literally softer to the eyes. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2011 at 13:25
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Since the topic now seems to be color temperature:


It's a nice tool that adjusts the color temperature of your screen during night time - it's literally softer to the eyes. 

Trying it out 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2011 at 13:29
What about the last links about the impact of air traffic on climate?
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