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 Posted: May 27 2013 at 18:37 |
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2001 is pretty amazing when you consider the structure they used, with so little dialog for much of the duration. I've actually been waiting for a movie version of another Arthur C Clarke classic "Rendezvous with Rama" for quite a while. David Fincher was slated to direct it around 10 years ago but now it looks as though it won't happen. It's a story that would be difficult to translate to a movie, I admit, but if they did it well it would be incredible.
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If you look at how some fan movies now have become huge productions, like Dr. Who or Star Trek fan movies, it's not impossible that great sci fi classics could be made. Again, the whole problem lies in culturally educating people that might be a little more important to make an Arthur C. Clarke classic then someone's mediocre vanity piece.
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I don't want to get too far OT but I think with a book like "Rama" the beauty of it is in the details. Clarke had such a brilliant understanding of technical details that he could make everything seem plausible. It was almost like reading a science documentary of this fantastic premise. But then how do you translate that to film without losing the audience? If you mire the story in too much exposition it will drag.
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Posted: May 27 2013 at 20:52 |
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I don't want to get too far OT but I think with a book like "Rama" the beauty of it is in the details. Clarke had such a brilliant understanding of technical details that he could make everything seem plausible. It was almost like reading a science documentary of this fantastic premise. But then how do you translate that to film without losing the audience? If you mire the story in too much exposition it will drag.
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I agree.....to make it interesting for film audiences they would need to add elements from the other books in the series and thow in some action and an ending where it's all explained.
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Posted: May 27 2013 at 21:45 |
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^In 2001, for me, the part that clinches things for me with the film and music, is when the ape discovers that a simple bone can be used as a tool, or weapon, and then comes in the beginning of Also Sprach Zarathustra, it sends chills down my spine every time! That whole piece of music of Richard Strauss's, over half an hour long, is an incredible odyssey in itself.
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Well said. And great soundtrack to that film. I'm a proud owner of that one. Love the 15min Jupiter suite.
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Posted: May 27 2013 at 21:49 |
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... It's extremly sci fi laden. Just listen to the opening theme 'main titles.'
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Pure movie magic! "Forbidden Planet" is probably the first and only "true" sci-fi piece of work in that it starts, and continues ... to be out there. Music included. Also visually defined, with work by Walt Disney that they did not want to be associated with at all, because it was not in keeping with the crap they did! "Blade Runner", is by far, one of my favorite films ever ... top three ... but it brings home the movie magic so beautifully, while also tieing up the story really well ... and the novelty of Vangelis' music made it even stronger and more valuable ... but is not the story! And above all, specially for Hollywood standards, it is a love story ... and the music fits it! A love story that takes on much bigger dimentions than the main character ever thought, or understood at the time! Pure movie magic ... and beautifully written and presented by a film maker that knew and understood fantasy ... which made it all the more "sci-fi". Just because it showed some scenes and shots that were straight out of some sci-fi books does not make it sci-fi ... it's like you calling me sci-fi because I can quote Ray Bradbury or other writers in the genre ... my favorite of which happens to be "Stranger in a Strangeland" ... samething here! |
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Thanks a bunch ... you didn't have to say it but it is appreciated. To me, these arts, all go together, and the only separation there is, is one's knowledge of their time and place artistically! This is the hard part of discussing some of these things ... when all one is familiar with it, is one side of the story, so to speak, and there are/were other arts that helped bring it alive. Film history is very strong, but folks, like here, are way too tied up to the "top ten" to check out some of these old things, and specially film history, for which within 10 years, you endup gaining an appreciation that is different and rare. Do it in at least 5 countries ... and then do the same thing in music! And then literature ... and you will find some amazing parallels ... that are really hard to discuss here ... because the "song" has been separated from its body and its maker ... it belongs into a non-existent concept ... that has de-personalized it into ... nothing! And no one, not even you, wants that. It's not why you write, is it? Or play music? Or care for something so much that you make something of that feeling! ... now you know why "Blade Runner" is so important to me ... I can easily tell you Roy's last lines! ... but they are all tears in the rain ... because so many people here will simply not give a damn! Their lives weren't at stake ... so screw it! Things like "Forbidden Planet" would be the ultimate for 3D and its absolutely insane design, a lot of which you will find in "Star Wars" and "Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind" and "2001, A Space Odyssey". But like another film that also used backwards and different speeds on its sound effects along with some electronic stuff, however, not so hardcore as the original, which was a total non-compromise, would have been the likes of "The Day The Earth Stood Still" and some others, though I have not seen "X, the Unknown" and other films at the time. Some of these remakes left behind the filming history they helped create, which is one of the main reasons why those films were so famous ... otherwise, the sets would be all cardboard ... see the problem? The same thing happened to the history of the synthesizer. And music! It's only valuable, when the "cardboard" disappears, and things like "Blade Runner" ... are pure movie magic. As for it being sci-fi, yes it is, but compared to "Forbidden Planet", it's just a love story!
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I think you can now up your game to movie reviewer!!! God, you make me wanna pop blade runner in the Blu ray player ASAP!! Nice work there, captain convincing. Lol
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Posted: May 27 2013 at 23:24 |
You all think much too deep and take things too seriously really hahaha great lyrics are certainly a bonus. I am a nincompoop and don't care to hypothesize as much as you guys about this, nor would I attempt to do so as I know my limits too in terms of moozik knowledge hehehehe however to me i.e. "I am a walrus" is a brilliant silly song title it's fun and most memorable, ha! I Love it and love many more silly and/or funny songs/titles 
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Posted: May 28 2013 at 03:04 |
dr wu23 wrote:
bonestorm wrote:
I don't want to get too far OT but I think with a book like "Rama" the beauty of it is in the details. Clarke had such a brilliant understanding of technical details that he could make everything seem plausible. It was almost like reading a science documentary of this fantastic premise. But then how do you translate that to film without losing the audience? If you mire the story in too much exposition it will drag.
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I agree.....to make it interesting for film audiences they would need to add elements from the other books in the series and thow in some action and an ending where it's all explained. |
Yeah the Rama series is great but I'm scared at thinking of a current film version, with the current Hollywood culture they would convert it in an action movie with some laser-gun shootings, a love story thrown in and some silly happy ending. The actual story in the book would be 'too boring' for many viewers.
Similarly with Asimov's The Foundation series.
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Posted: May 28 2013 at 04:01 |
Gerinski wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
bonestorm wrote:
I don't want to get too far OT but I think with a book like "Rama" the beauty of it is in the details. Clarke had such a brilliant understanding of technical details that he could make everything seem plausible. It was almost like reading a science documentary of this fantastic premise. But then how do you translate that to film without losing the audience? If you mire the story in too much exposition it will drag.
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I agree.....to make it interesting for film audiences they would need to add elements from the other books in the series and thow in some action and an ending where it's all explained. |
Yeah the Rama series is great but I'm scared at thinking of a current film version, with the current Hollywood culture they would convert it in an action movie with some laser-gun shootings, a love story thrown in and some silly happy ending. The actual story in the book would be 'too boring' for many viewers.
Similarly with Asimov's The Foundation series. |
Heh, it's sad but you're right on the money. That's exactly what they'd do. I can see them lining up Will Smith for the lead role already.
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Posted: May 28 2013 at 07:49 |
progbethyname wrote:
presdoug wrote:
^In 2001, for me, the part that clinches things for me with the film and music, is when the ape discovers that a simple bone can be used as a tool, or weapon, and then comes in the beginning of Also Sprach Zarathustra, it sends chills down my spine every time! That whole piece of music of Richard Strauss's, over half an hour long, is an incredible odyssey in itself.
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Well said. And great soundtrack to that film. I'm a proud owner of that one. Love the 15min Jupiter suite. |
Thanks, yeah, there are other great musical moments in that movie, I love the beautiful Strauss Blue Danube waltz (interesting that they used the von Karajan version in the movie)
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Posted: May 28 2013 at 08:15 |
presdoug wrote:
progbethyname wrote:
presdoug wrote:
^In 2001, for me, the part that clinches things for me with the film and music, is when the ape discovers that a simple bone can be used as a tool, or weapon, and then comes in the beginning of Also Sprach Zarathustra, it sends chills down my spine every time! That whole piece of music of Richard Strauss's, over half an hour long, is an incredible odyssey in itself.
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Well said. And great soundtrack to that film. I'm a proud owner of that one. Love the 15min Jupiter suite. |
Thanks, yeah, there are other great musical moments in that movie, I love beautiful Strauss Blue Danube waltz (interesting that they used the von Karajan version in the movie) |
I have entered a Cinema to watch it at least 20 times before the VHS era. It's my all-time favorite movie and the soundtrack has opened my mind to the non easy music of Ligeti. I was 10 years old the first time I've seen it, and Strauss has actually kept my mind occupied during all my way back home. I have whistled the blue Danube for the rest of that day.
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I have seen "The Forbidden Planet " mentioned as well, I don't remember if in this thread or in the other about prog and sci-fi. The original soundtrack is probably the first example of electronic music and has influenced all the sci-fi soundtracks for a couple of decades. The nice thing is that the authors, the BArron Brothers didn't want to register it as music, maybe for fiscal reasons, so it was credited as "electronic sounds". That soundtrack would deserve to be added to the site.
This has been my very first sci-fi movie and the starting point of a passion
Edited by octopus-4 - May 28 2013 at 08:24
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Just found this on wikipedia: The Barrons finally released their soundtrack in 1976 as an LP album for the film's 20th anniversary; it was on their very own PLANET Records label (later changed to SMALL PLANET Records and distributed by GNP Crescendo Records)
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Posted: May 28 2013 at 10:37 |
bonestorm wrote:
Gerinski wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
bonestorm wrote:
I don't want to get too far OT but I think with a book like "Rama" the beauty of it is in the details. Clarke had such a brilliant understanding of technical details that he could make everything seem plausible. It was almost like reading a science documentary of this fantastic premise. But then how do you translate that to film without losing the audience? If you mire the story in too much exposition it will drag.
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I agree.....to make it interesting for film audiences they would need to add elements from the other books in the series and thow in some action and an ending where it's all explained. |
Yeah the Rama series is great but I'm scared at thinking of a current film version, with the current Hollywood culture they would convert it in an action movie with some laser-gun shootings, a love story thrown in and some silly happy ending. The actual story in the book would be 'too boring' for many viewers.
Similarly with Asimov's The Foundation series. |
Heh, it's sad but you're right on the money. That's exactly what they'd do. I can see them lining up Will Smith for the lead role already.
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It might be a project that the Sy-Fy channel (or BBC) could do in a mini series format like they did with Dune. Their Dune version was decent imho.
Edited by dr wu23 - May 28 2013 at 10:37
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If I'm not wrong, the sci-fi sound effects in Forbidden Planet and many other typical 1950's sci-fi movies were produced on the then revolutionary synthesizer Hammond Novachord.
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Posted: May 28 2013 at 10:43 |
dr wu23 wrote:
bonestorm wrote:
Gerinski wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
bonestorm wrote:
I don't want to get too far OT but I think with a book like "Rama" the beauty of it is in the details. Clarke had such a brilliant understanding of technical details that he could make everything seem plausible. It was almost like reading a science documentary of this fantastic premise. But then how do you translate that to film without losing the audience? If you mire the story in too much exposition it will drag.
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I agree.....to make it interesting for film audiences they would need to add elements from the other books in the series and thow in some action and an ending where it's all explained. |
Yeah the Rama series is great but I'm scared at thinking of a current film version, with the current Hollywood culture they would convert it in an action movie with some laser-gun shootings, a love story thrown in and some silly happy ending. The actual story in the book would be 'too boring' for many viewers.
Similarly with Asimov's The Foundation series. |
Heh, it's sad but you're right on the money. That's exactly what they'd do. I can see them lining up Will Smith for the lead role already.
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It might be a project that the Sy-Fy channel (or BBC) could do in a mini series format like they did with Dune. Their Dune version was decent imho.
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A thing with Rama (as long as I remember, it's many years ago that I read the series) is that there was quite some difference between the first book Rendezvous With Rama, written by Arthur C. Clarke and the others which were mostly written by Gentry Lee. The original book was pure sci-fi focusing on the mysterious wonders of an alien civilization while the others were more 'action stories based on the characters put in that set-up'. Well at least that's how I remember it.
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Posted: May 28 2013 at 14:09 |
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... I think you can now up your game to movie reviewer!!! God, you make me wanna pop blade runner in the Blu ray player ASAP!! Nice work there, captain convincing. Lol |
I only do foreign and art films ... and I have over 215 reviews at the IMDB, and at least three film reviews have been used in various International Film Festivals. I am an ACREDITED REVIEWER. I still have 300 more to upload ... and on my own website I'm not even on par with the listing at IMDB! ... lots of work, and not enough time! I also did, for the Portland Internation Film Festival a lot of notes for many foreign films by looking for and translating the information and creating the notes. Most of this stopped when I had the first of my 3 right eye surgeries ... I can hardly drive at night to see films, and depend on video ... my salvation these days is the internet, but even then, it is not following the open-ness of film festivals, and some of the stuff now showing up is becoming totally political and consumeristic crap and advertising! But it's better. I always told folks in Portland, never to see hte American or the English films because they will get released and be n video and dvd ... go see the film fromnowhere land ... because it is there that the GEMS are found ... don't get any better ears there than I do here ... but at least you noticed and I thank you heartily for it!
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Posted: May 28 2013 at 14:38 |
progbethyname wrote:
presdoug wrote:
^In 2001, for me, the part that clinches things for me with the film and music, is when the ape discovers that a simple bone can be used as a tool, or weapon, and then comes in the beginning of Also Sprach Zarathustra, it sends chills down my spine every time! That whole piece of music of Richard Strauss's, over half an hour long, is an incredible odyssey in itself.
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Well said. And great soundtrack to that film. I'm a proud owner of that one. Love the 15min Jupiter suite. |
You do know that the best way to see this was .... you'll never get to see it! But I can tell you that it was the CINERAMA DOME ... 180 degree screen, with speakers under your bum ... and .... the coolest, largest bucket seats you ever saw ... and ... well, admitedly, the Sunshine was really good, too! Ohhh, btw, after the movie we walked across the street to see HAIR on a midnight show! That was not as good as 2001! The popcorn stunk at the Aquarius, btw, and smelled worse than .... !!!! It was the main reason why I went after a massive stereo and got me a pair of AMT-Heil speakers (750 for both in 1974) and a turntable with a Stanton Cartridge that cost 275 at the time! Why? ... because Tangerine Dream and a lot of these far out things sounded magnificent on them and you learned about THE EXPERIENCE ... instead of a radio song hit on the iPod ... where you do not get the full blown experience, like you could otherwise!
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Posted: May 28 2013 at 15:57 |
moshkito wrote:
progbethyname wrote:
... I think you can now up your game to movie reviewer!!! God, you make me wanna pop blade runner in the Blu ray player ASAP!! Nice work there, captain convincing. Lol |
I only do foreign and art films ... and I have over 215 reviews at the IMDB, and at least three film reviews have been used in various International Film Festivals. I am an ACREDITED REVIEWER. I still have 300 more to upload ... and on my own website I'm not even on par with the listing at IMDB! ... lots of work, and not enough time! I also did, for the Portland Internation Film Festival a lot of notes for many foreign films by looking for and translating the information and creating the notes. Most of this stopped when I had the first of my 3 right eye surgeries ... I can hardly drive at night to see films, and depend on video ... my salvation these days is the internet, but even then, it is not following the open-ness of film festivals, and some of the stuff now showing up is becoming totally political and consumeristic crap and advertising! But it's better. I always told folks in Portland, never to see hte American or the English films because they will get released and be n video and dvd ... go see the film fromnowhere land ... because it is there that the GEMS are found ... don't get any better ears there than I do here ... but at least you noticed and I thank you heartily for it!
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Portland's a great place to see foreign/non-American films. I lived there for a couple of years and saw so many great films while there. I even ran into Martin Scorsese there once, and nodded 'hello' to him :-)
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Posted: May 28 2013 at 16:47 |
Gerinski wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
bonestorm wrote:
Gerinski wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
bonestorm wrote:
I don't want to get too far OT but I think with a book like "Rama" the beauty of it is in the details. Clarke had such a brilliant understanding of technical details that he could make everything seem plausible. It was almost like reading a science documentary of this fantastic premise. But then how do you translate that to film without losing the audience? If you mire the story in too much exposition it will drag.
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I agree.....to make it interesting for film audiences they would need to add elements from the other books in the series and thow in some action and an ending where it's all explained. |
Yeah the Rama series is great but I'm scared at thinking of a current film version, with the current Hollywood culture they would convert it in an action movie with some laser-gun shootings, a love story thrown in and some silly happy ending. The actual story in the book would be 'too boring' for many viewers.
Similarly with Asimov's The Foundation series. |
Heh, it's sad but you're right on the money. That's exactly what they'd do. I can see them lining up Will Smith for the lead role already.
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It might be a project that the Sy-Fy channel (or BBC) could do in a mini series format like they did with Dune. Their Dune version was decent imho.
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A thing with Rama (as long as I remember, it's many years ago that I read the series) is that there was quite some difference between the first book Rendezvous With Rama, written by Arthur C. Clarke and the others which were mostly written by Gentry Lee. The original book was pure sci-fi focusing on the mysterious wonders of an alien civilization while the others were more 'action stories based on the characters put in that set-up'. Well at least that's how I remember it.
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You're right, the Rama sequels were labelled as "Clarke and Gentry Lee" but I have a feeling it was more Lee than Clarke. The sequels were much more character focused, which has never been Clarke's strength anyway, and the reveal for the mysteries were not satisfying. In short, they were totally unnecessary additions. The original stands as a masterpiece on it's own and I wish it had been left at that.
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Posted: May 28 2013 at 18:30 |
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You all think much too deep and take things too seriously really hahaha great lyrics are certainly a bonus. I am a nincompoop and don't care to hypothesize as much as you guys about this, nor would I attempt to do so as I know my limits too in terms of moozik knowledge hehehehe however to me i.e. "I am a walrus" is a brilliant silly song title it's fun and most memorable, ha! I Love it and love many more silly and/or funny songs/titles
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