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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2011 at 20:41
Originally posted by Kilgannon Kilgannon wrote:

If you turned PA into a review only site, you could end up turning those annoying 'manipulators' to copying and pasting a review from somewhere else in order to get their 1-star/5-star counted here, thus having much more weighting and a much increased effect on the average.
 
I would prefer that there would not be a "rating" system ... but I can see how so many people that love a top ten of anything would feel the need to see a "rating system" before they would check out a band's review and decide if they want to get or not.
 
I don't listen, or define music, by any of those processes, and my film reviews and the foreign films I go after, are almost always ... the completely unknown ... and the reason why is ... because it gets your "preferences" jaded and one sided and it tends to distort the "ratings".
 
I understand, via Dean's explanation, the need for an open process ... and review ... but, in the end, seeing someone trash the band such and such, and it is not really a review, as much as it is a drunken rant (Dean's idea! -- I only drink water or tea!), it would hurt the over all view and design that the folks that put PA together designed and helped define.
 
Now, if this is just a "fan" site, and everything goes by measures and visits, and sometimes weight ... I only have one concern ... today this, tomorrow something else ... and we will be gone and our work wasted.
 
Which is the reason why I would like some things cleaned up and improved, but the ratings, IN MY BOOK, are NOT an issue! I really think they are minor ... however, ANY reviewer that ranked something 1 or 0 would probably get ... why did you bother? Trying to stop the world from spinning? I would prefer that we were honorable enough to only review the things that we love, and if someone asks, I would say ... I don't dislike some stuff by Elton John, but it is not my preference to review it!
 
I would think that a concensus and better clarity and a CHART on the progressive definitions and such, would be much more important so we have a "basis" to work from, instead of sounding like MSN making blanket statements ... about some imaginary music! I am positive that if there is one thing that we don't ever want to see happen is our very music get buried in terms that mean absolutely nothing and are trivial and not important to the music, or the very thing that you and I stand up for!
 
Gotta love an empty war! ... I still think that Epitath and the American National Anthem and Amazing Grace were valuable ... but what the heck ... life goes on and tomorrow no one cares about that war!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Finnforest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 31 2011 at 18:49
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=425716

Don't let Rob see this reviewLOL

Can someone tell me.....what the hell is "butt-rock"  ???
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Epignosis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 31 2011 at 18:55
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=425716

Don't let Rob see this reviewLOL

Can someone tell me.....what the hell is "butt-rock"  ???


Oh I already read it.

I took my wrath out on a wino up the street.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Finnforest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 31 2011 at 18:59
^seems a bit insulting of the artist, but not sure if it crosses the line or not. 

I still want to know what butt-rock is.  That's quite a term.  LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Epignosis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 31 2011 at 19:10
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

^seems a bit insulting of the artist, but not sure if it crosses the line or not. 

I still want to know what butt-rock is.  That's quite a term.  LOL


So long as my butt isn't rocked, I don't care. 

I think Barking Weasel is mostly disingenuous anyway (not because of his ratings, but because of his words).

I don't see how anyone can be so angry about music.


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Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

^seems a bit insulting of the artist, but not sure if it crosses the line or not. 

I still want to know what butt-rock is.  That's quite a term.  LOL


I thought it was the tail-end of cock rock's cousin.

This is from urban dictionary:

Originally posted by <a href=http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=buttrock target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=buttrock</a> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=buttrock wrote:

. Buttrock

1)A term to identify a band trademarked with cheap, unoriginal song lyrics; the vocalist hiding his lack of vocal talent by producing a deep and 'raspy' voice (i.e. Nickelback, Creed).

2)A term to identify any song composed by a buttrock band or any individual song which possesses buttrock qualities (see def. 1)

3) A term to identify anything, absract or concrete, that is distasteful, poorly concieved or overtly offensive.
1)Dude 1: Don't tell anyone but Lips of an Angel is my favorite song.
Dude 2: Friggin' A dawg! You're a closet buttrock fan!

3) Why is that guy wearing all real-tree camoflauge in the middle of downtown? That is so buttrock!
3a) Your sense of humor is buttrock.
2. buttrock

Any of the indistinguishable music of Nickleback, Hinder, Daughtry, Default, etc...
A genre of music where every song sounds exactly the same
Is this Nickleback or Hinder? I can't tell...
Who the f*ck cares, it's buttrock.
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Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

^seems a bit insulting of the artist, but not sure if it crosses the line or not. 

I still want to know what butt-rock is.  That's quite a term.  LOL


If you look it up in Merriam-Webster, a picture of Kansas' "Point of Know Return" album cover accompanies the technical definition: "Any rock music that Barking Weasel hates passionately and Kansas fans enjoy wholeheartedly."
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2011 at 19:43
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

^seems a bit insulting of the artist, but not sure if it crosses the line or not. 

I still want to know what butt-rock is.  That's quite a term.  LOL
 
That one band with the Surfing name ... is actually pretty good! But the name ... is ... yeah!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2011 at 20:35
Hi,
 
Just took a look at the list of the last few reviews ... have to admit that I didn't think that the two Caravan reviews were very good, and that person should not have written them. It feels like a case of someone not having the time to listen to it anyway, so why bother?
 
And to suggest that this is pop music and that Caravan had nothing to do with pop music before, would be totally incorrect. Caravan started out as a pop band! And like so many other bands, they wanted to go further and further, but line up changes made things tough all around ... and harder for them to play some material that was more complicated on a stage.
 
"Better by Far" is a very nice album ... as is "St Dunstens" ... but to an ear that can only hear some ideas of what music is supposed to be -- like some progressive idea or bs! -- the albums seeem inferior ... and they are not ... they are CARAVAN ... plain and simple. It's not about "best" ... and I really would like to see if we can raise that mentality and ability to say something like that ... those reviews are both very poor -- and the reviewer should be asked to redo them. Not to mention that some lyrics in a couple of those songs ... went right by that listener's ears ... and he should go back and re-listen to Give Me More! A song that is very true English humor ... almost on the same level as Lola ... and quite similar ... but Caravan always had a bit of that humor and edge ... and there is one absolutely massive instrumental.
 
St Dunstan's ... also has a lot of nice things, including a very good and well done ... endless loop at the end of the record ... but none of the clever lyrics (even the one about John Wayne) even got to the ears of the reviewer.
 
It's kind of a bummer ... so the next thing we gonna do is tell everyone that you only need to see one movie and there is Humphrey Bogart, or Marlon Brando, or Lawrence Olivier ... and it is extremely bizarre when we are so damn stuck up to put down artists as not being artists ... specially when our reviews do not even have an artistic, or writing standard.
 
Anyone here being a teacher in English (or in any language), would give that person a C ... tops ... for that review ... that would suggest that person did not even listen to the albums to be able to say something about them properly.
 
I'm sorry to pick on someone ... but in my estimation this is the kind of stuff that makes us look like ... we don't care ... and we really need to pick up the standards of the work ... and some I don't care reviews should not be accepted ... I seriously doubt that PA can get more serious and important value and respect as long as we allow people to do that ... you have to stand up to more than just ... trolling and bar hopping!


Edited by moshkito - April 04 2011 at 21:00
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What do you guys think?

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=424371

Too much rambling?
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It's shorter than Kevin's reviews.
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True. LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Finnforest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2011 at 07:18
It describes your feelings for the music and the music itself, with some personality, and without a track x track description.  That to me is a pretty successful review.  Smile
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Thanks. Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Snow Dog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2011 at 10:17
Good review that has also got me curious. Nice one.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote harmonium.ro Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2011 at 10:43
Yeap, great review. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote NecronCommander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2011 at 11:14
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

It's shorter than Kevin's reviews.

Ouch
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Thank you for the kind words everyone. After quitting reviewing for a while I thought I'd start again, and I definitely prefer writing in that style to the one in my other reviews, as I feel it gives more freedom of expression. I'm hoping to keep reviewing consistently and hit reviewer status some day. Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote lazland Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2011 at 14:43
Very good review. I'm curious too. 

Also, a bloody sight shorter than my ramblingsLOL
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

 
I don't see how anyone can be so angry about music.

Have you even met me?
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