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Posted: January 24 2015 at 09:32
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micky wrote:
yeah yeah yeah... old topic... we've beat that sh*tstain of an album into the ground..
let's talk about the 'wart' damnit!!! Who gave new life, and direction to the mighty King Crimson
Pretty much sums up why I don't like his music or his contribution to later King Crimson.
A matter of personal taste, I guess. He isn't to mine.
ehh.. tastes are a funny thing aren't they. . At least you didn't lead in with that, it is the truth of it isn't it but what is the fun in that, but instead with guts and blood... and forever gave Belew the nickname of the 'wart'. I loved that btw.
I'll make sure that lives forever in the halls of PA's. Giving you full credit of course
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Posted: January 24 2015 at 13:13
Lear'sFool wrote:
Hercules wrote:
Lear'sFool wrote:
Since when was Belew a member of Talking Heads?
He never was, but he collaborated with them a lot.
Remain In Light only. All of which was my point entirely, being that your post said "from Talking Heads". But you clearly know.
It's the only one of his associated bands I've really listened to other than KC.
I was given Remain in Light and Little Creatures as part of my leaving present from St Andrews Univ; liked some of the latter, didn't like the former much.
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Posted: January 24 2015 at 18:25
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The results are currently 69-74. That's interesting because I consider the years 1969-74 to be the artistic peak of both bands.
I think you are shaving a few years from each.. but point taken. What classic band really didn't peak during those years.
14 hours to go...still 74-69. Great tight match, and CNN won't call it yet.. really curious to see how much if any movement we'll have from the 'holding the vote' voters.
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Posted: January 25 2015 at 02:41
Its very interesting to me that you have two very different bands in the sense that Floyd were much more 'user friendly' in their approach compared to the 'jaggedness' of Crimson. You have to want a challenge to listen to Crimson whereas a lot of PF stuff is easy to listen to with perhaps the exceptions of Atom Heart Mother and The Final Cut. That's why I hope KC win as they represent what prog should be. I don't have to like them that much and that's my problem anyway.
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Posted: January 25 2015 at 06:11
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Its very interesting to me that you have two very different bands in the sense that Floyd were much more 'user friendly' in their approach compared to the 'jaggedness' of Crimson. You have to want a challenge to listen to Crimson whereas a lot of PF stuff is easy to listen to with perhaps the exceptions of Atom Heart Mother and The Final Cut. That's why I hope KC win as they represent what prog should be. I don't have to like them that much and that's my problem anyway.
ehh.. I never bought the King Crimson being overly challenging/formidable schtick. None of it is particularly challenging to listen to. Some of it was good, some of it damn boring, some of it completely over praised (the middle era) some of it very unappreciated (the 'wart' years haha)
What they were though, to their enormous credit, were all over the place stylistically. A very good measure when talking prog. The only reason this is close is they are against the one group, outside of some of the non-mainstream groups (like TD) that can truly be said to be the originator and complete definer of a branch of progressive music.
This is a hard matchup to figure, at the start (of the contest as I had these two in my pre-tourny bracket reaching the final) I would have thought Crimson by a comfortable margin. They are (along with Yes, and ELP) the true kings of Prog Rock, but unlike those two they really don't have negative aspects that can turn people off.
Of course as the contest progressed, Floyd was a machine and once they chewed up and spit out Yes, I thought they would win this one. Still might, but still I guess it was fitting to see these two in the final and have it be so damn close
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Posted: January 25 2015 at 07:26
micky wrote:
What they were though, to their enormous credit, were all over the place stylistically. A very good measure when talking prog. The only reason this is close is they are against the one group, outside of some of the non-mainstream groups (like TD) that can truly be said to be the originator and complete definer of a branch of progressive music.
Yup, in many ways, KC represent the golden middle of prog. They are not likely to be considered too crossover/mainstream as some may feel about Floyd, nor are they so inaccessible as to get too few fans either. Symph prog, metal-based improv, math, they've got all bases covered. They may not be every proghead's favourite prog rock band but many progheads like at least one or two of their albums, if not more. They don't easily polarise listeners, unlike say ELP/Gentle Giant. One can argue it's not a 'they', rather just one constant figure working with a multitude of line ups but whatever.
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Posted: January 25 2015 at 07:29
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micky wrote:
What they were though, to their enormous credit, were all over the place stylistically. A very good measure when talking prog. The only reason this is close is they are against the one group, outside of some of the non-mainstream groups (like TD) that can truly be said to be the originator and complete definer of a branch of progressive music.
Yup, in many ways, KC represent the golden middle of prog. They are not likely to be considered too crossover/mainstream as some may feel about Floyd, nor are they so inaccessible as to get too few fans either. Symph prog, metal-based improv, math, they've got all bases covered. They may not be every proghead's favourite prog rock band but many progheads like at least one or two of their albums, if not more. They don't easily polarise listeners, unlike say ELP/Gentle Giant. One can argue it's not a 'they', rather just one constant figure working with a multitude of line ups but whatever.
oh yeah. Well said.
oh definitely. K.C. was Fripp and a revolving cast of musicians. I think I made that quip earlier in the thread.
Now Fripp would be my favorite to win the PA's Battle of the Prog Personalities contest. Early vegas odds would have him as a 10.5 favorite over.. hmm... yeah.. Roger Waters. No coincidence there.
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