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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2010 at 15:42
Before reading the article I quickly looked up who the author is ...

About her current book:

From Publishers Weekly

Robinson's new nonfiction work is drawn from her 2009 Terry lectures at Yale. More precisely, they are "lectures on religion in the light of science and philosophy." The charge is ambitious, and Robinson brings to the task a suitably wide-ranging perspective. She takes aim at the modern scholarly propensity to debunk, a practice she calls "flawed learnedness." It pitches out the babies of human insight with the bathwater of the past, preferring what she calls "parascience," a kind of pseudoscience that prizes certainty. This "parascience" is a latecomer in human thought, the product of only the last 150 years or so. Because it closes off questions, it's not even scientific. Nor does it allow space for the human mind and all the mind has produced in history and civilization. This is heady stuff that will particularly appeal to those familiar with the history of ideas and the many thinkers she cites, and to anyone willing to ponder broadly and humanistically about imponderable matters. Those who savor Robinson's clear prose will also be gratified; her mind, in thought, is elegant.
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Another postmodernist ... at least that's what I suspect.


Edited by Mr ProgFreak - October 04 2010 at 15:44
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2010 at 15:42
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

^ sorry HP, I didn't think Mike was referring to you and I certainly wasn't Wink
Oh I'm sorry, I just have a desperate, aching need to be the center of attention at all times. ;-)
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Before reading the article I quickly looked up who the author is ...

About her current book:

From Publishers Weekly

Robinson's new nonfiction work is drawn from her 2009 Terry lectures at Yale. More precisely, they are "lectures on religion in the light of science and philosophy." The charge is ambitious, and Robinson brings to the task a suitably wide-ranging perspective. She takes aim at the modern scholarly propensity to debunk, a practice she calls "flawed learnedness." It pitches out the babies of human insight with the bathwater of the past, preferring what she calls "parascience," a kind of pseudoscience that prizes certainty. This "parascience" is a latecomer in human thought, the product of only the last 150 years or so. Because it closes off questions, it's not even scientific. Nor does it allow space for the human mind and all the mind has produced in history and civilization. This is heady stuff that will particularly appeal to those familiar with the history of ideas and the many thinkers she cites, and to anyone willing to ponder broadly and humanistically about imponderable matters. Those who savor Robinson's clear prose will also be gratified; her mind, in thought, is elegant.
Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.


Another postmodernist ...
Well yeah, that is kind of dumb, but I generally agree with what she's saying in the review.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2010 at 15:43
I think we should declare fatwa on Mike and make him pay with his head.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2010 at 15:46
^^ Maybe I'll read it tomorrow. Didn't even know that Sam has written a new book ... but I saw is presentation at TED 2010 (on YouTube). 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2010 at 15:51
Actually, we should start a new genocide. Let's get rid of all religious and atheist people. Only we "I don't know anything" people should survive. Lots of doubt will be good for us...





...(and that would give me the chance to start a new religion... Maybe with Teo as prophet.. In greek, my name already is godlike...)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2010 at 15:54
Nah ... let's kill all postmodernists ... especially those who boldy type "science doesn't know everything!" into a computer keyboard and post it in teh interwebs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2010 at 16:03
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

 
Sam Harris, like many anti-theists, does not understand what excommunication actually means, so that part of his argument is silly. He also places too much faith in "science" to resolve all our problems. I like science too, and it's ok to be against a god of the gaps, but I'm not sure some things will ever be possible, like an accurate lie detector. And obviously "science" has not always yielded results most people would consider ideal; ie, eugenics, lobotomies, Tuskegee, etc.
I have only skimmed Harris blog thing and certainly not read the book (and doubt that I ever will) but I don't see that he's assuming that excommunication is a punishment or any means of correction, but simply as a measure of what the Catholic Church deems as important from a theological point of view... of course that could be your point, that genocide and  nuclear proliferation are not theological concerns but contraception and gay marriage are. *shrug*... I think he is trying to say that morality is not solely down to religion.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2010 at 18:15
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and a lot of what you do is provocative to say the least. For the most part I like the cut of your jib but why act like a troll when you've many good things to add to a debate? Confused

If I have a jib AND act like a troll does that make me "Naughtycal"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2010 at 12:50
"He has returned now to tell us to look to the sciences for enlightenment and decry that "many scientists feel that they must pretend that religion and science are compatible." Mr. Harris has no such feelings and continues his attack on the "pious delusions." Yet he never notices that many of the good things he embraces—for example, equality and opportunity for women—have been championed and better realized in mainline churches and the larger community than in the sciences."

Sorry, but no sorry ... my interest in the article ended right there.LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2010 at 19:13
Boy, what a joke the Catholic church has become.
 
Desperate for a distraction after increased attention to their incredible practice of somehow convincing communities that it's somehow in god's service for them to sodomise that community's sons, they have now declared The Simpsons A-OK because Homer is clearly Catholic.
 
Yet another marketing ploy, an attempt to ride the coat-tails of something that has an enormous amount of goodwill and popularity attached to it. Needless to say, the show's producers are openly horrified and have already denied that Homer is Catholic. I don't think the church even believes it, it's just a piece of fluff to make people forget the bad things.
 
I think what happened is that someone said something about "homos in the Catholic church" and someone heard it as "Homer's in the Catholic church."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2010 at 20:06
Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

Boy, what a joke the Catholic church has become.
 
Desperate for a distraction after increased attention to their incredible practice of somehow convincing communities that it's somehow in god's service for them to sodomise that community's sons, they have now declared The Simpsons A-OK because Homer is clearly Catholic.
 
Yet another marketing ploy, an attempt to ride the coat-tails of something that has an enormous amount of goodwill and popularity attached to it. Needless to say, the show's producers are openly horrified and have already denied that Homer is Catholic. I don't think the church even believes it, it's just a piece of fluff to make people forget the bad things.
 
I think what happened is that someone said something about "homos in the Catholic church" and someone heard it as "Homer's in the Catholic church."

Please Textbook, this is not a statement of the Catholic Church, this is an article posted in L Osservatore Romano by Luca Possati.

The author is just one of many reporters or editors in a  huge NEWSPAPER, in no way this is official statement of the Church.

And again you are inventing that the Catholic Church said that The Simpsons are OK because Homer is Catholic, I read all the articles and no one says this.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2010 at 23:24
Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

Boy, what a joke the Catholic church has become.
 
Desperate for a distraction after increased attention to their incredible practice of somehow convincing communities that it's somehow in god's service for them to sodomise that community's sons, they have now declared The Simpsons A-OK because Homer is clearly Catholic.
 
Yet another marketing ploy, an attempt to ride the coat-tails of something that has an enormous amount of goodwill and popularity attached to it. Needless to say, the show's producers are openly horrified and have already denied that Homer is Catholic. I don't think the church even believes it, it's just a piece of fluff to make people forget the bad things.
 
I think what happened is that someone said something about "homos in the Catholic church" and someone heard it as "Homer's in the Catholic church."
What, the Vatican's newspaper isn't allowed to have a light-hearted article? And IIRC, it was discussing something that a Jesuit wrote on his own. For some reason people assume that anything related to the Vatican is accepted by Catholics as God's Holy Truth but that's not how it works.

And The Simpsons really does not have much goodwill left...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2010 at 23:41
The article I read said "Vatican" but as Ivan points out it's actually the Vatican's paper. Sorry, I was mislead. Still amusing though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2010 at 02:49
Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

The article I read said "Vatican" but as Ivan points out it's actually the Vatican's paper. Sorry, I was mislead. Still amusing though.

Yeah, the mainstream media is almost always wrong when they're talking about the Catholic Church. I don't know why, it's really not that hard. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2010 at 03:08
I think it's because articles slamming major churches get a lot of buzz and hits, so they "accidentally" misrepresent things to make them look worse.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2010 at 06:26
"Clearly Mr. Possati hasn’t watched very many Simpsons’ episodes, including the movie where Homer mocks churchgoers who are “too busy talking to their phony-baloney God.” And I’m sure Lovejoy would be curious that his dedicated “Presbylutheran” family who regularly attends the First Church of Springfield suddenly has a new faith."

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2010 at 08:11
Mike, as a fact there's an episode where Bart goes to a Catholic School and turns to this religion and he's followed by Homer, While Marge keeps Protestant (We know Lisa is Buddhist).

At the end Bart reunites  all Christian religions.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2010 at 08:15
Ermm, Guys, please remind yourself that Bart & Homer are fictional characters...Shocked
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2010 at 08:16
*bites tongue*
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2010 at 08:23
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