The Atheist - Agnostic - Non religious thread

The Doctor wrote:   Ok, I'll concede those two without looking them up to verify myself.  However, I have never heard of either case.  And I bet you had to look for those.  I would still bet good money that these types of occurrences are nowhere near as common as religious fanatics taking lives in the name of their god.  Turn on the news and there are plenty of examples in the middle east alone, not to mention, that kind of insanity hits the US from time to time.  More than just two cases you found.  Now, can atheists be annoying?  You bet.  They sue the school system a lot because someone mentioned god in school.  I seem to remember a bus campaign that said something like "There is no god," or some such.  But let's face it, when it comes to pure hate and violence, religious fanatics win.

Dean wrote: The Doctor wrote: Ok, I'll concede those two without looking them up to verify myself.  However, I have never heard of either case.  And I bet you had to look for those.  I would still bet good money that these types of occurrences are nowhere near as common as religious fanatics taking lives in the name of their god.  Turn on the news and there are plenty of examples in the middle east alone, not to mention, that kind of insanity hits the US from time to time.  More than just two cases you found.  I also accept the first two as being "confirmed" without looking them up simple because the accounts Ivan posted read as very disturbed individuals with clear mental health problems. This cannot be said for all religious fanatics who commit horrendous actis in the name of their god (some maybe, but not all of them). The Doctor wrote: Now, can atheists be annoying?  You bet.  They sue the school system a lot because someone mentioned god in school.  I seem to remember a bus campaign that said something like "There is no god," or some such.  But let's face it, when it comes to pure hate and violence, religious fanatics win.  The bus campaign was a hoot

I disagree, Dean. Anyone who commits horrific acts in the name of a religion is clearly a mentally disturbed person, simply because all religions (including Islam)  praise love and peacefulness.

BaldFriede wrote: Dean wrote: The Doctor wrote: Ok, I'll concede those two without looking them up to verify myself.  However, I have never heard of either case.  And I bet you had to look for those.  I would still bet good money that these types of occurrences are nowhere near as common as religious fanatics taking lives in the name of their god.  Turn on the news and there are plenty of examples in the middle east alone, not to mention, that kind of insanity hits the US from time to time.  More than just two cases you found.  I also accept the first two as being "confirmed" without looking them up simple because the accounts Ivan posted read as very disturbed individuals with clear mental health problems. This cannot be said for all religious fanatics who commit horrendous actis in the name of their god (some maybe, but not all of them). The Doctor wrote: Now, can atheists be annoying?  You bet.  They sue the school system a lot because someone mentioned god in school.  I seem to remember a bus campaign that said something like "There is no god," or some such.  But let's face it, when it comes to pure hate and violence, religious fanatics win.  The bus campaign was a hoot   I disagree, Dean. Anyone who commits horrific acts in the name of a religion is clearly a mentally disturbed person, simply because all religions (including Islam)  praise love and peacefulness.

evidently have not read the old testament

timothy leary wrote: BaldFriede wrote: Dean wrote: The Doctor wrote: Ok, I'll concede those two without looking them up to verify myself.  However, I have never heard of either case.  And I bet you had to look for those.  I would still bet good money that these types of occurrences are nowhere near as common as religious fanatics taking lives in the name of their god.  Turn on the news and there are plenty of examples in the middle east alone, not to mention, that kind of insanity hits the US from time to time.  More than just two cases you found.  I also accept the first two as being "confirmed" without looking them up simple because the accounts Ivan posted read as very disturbed individuals with clear mental health problems. This cannot be said for all religious fanatics who commit horrendous actis in the name of their god (some maybe, but not all of them). The Doctor wrote: Now, can atheists be annoying?  You bet.  They sue the school system a lot because someone mentioned god in school.  I seem to remember a bus campaign that said something like "There is no god," or some such.  But let's face it, when it comes to pure hate and violence, religious fanatics win.  The bus campaign was a hoot   I disagree, Dean. Anyone who commits horrific acts in the name of a religion is clearly a mentally disturbed person, simply because all religions (including Islam)  praise love and peacefulness. evidently have not read the old testament

There is a new testament too, to replace the old one, as is explicitly stated in it.


Edited by BaldFriede - February 17 2013 at 18:50

^I think we can all agree cultural and societal patterns have changed quite a lot from the age of the crusades. Applying standards of quite ancient times to current times doesn't really constitute evidence of anything. Try getting people rallied to go on a crusade today and only mentally disturbed individuals will go. Back then in the dusk of the middle ages things were quite a little bit different.

Dean wrote: The T wrote: Dean, so you say those atheists are clearly disturbed individual with mental health problems. Care to extend the same to religious fanatics who do atrocious acts? It's clear in both cases they are all disturbed. They justify themselves with their beliefs. Many of those religious nuts who commit such atrocities were indoctrinated by their religions to commit those acts.

No, Dean. They were indoctrinated by religious leaders. That is quite a difference

The T wrote: ^I think we can all agree cultural and societal patterns have changed quite a lot from the age of the crusades. Applying standards of quite ancient times to current times doesn't really constitute evidence of anything. Try getting people rallied to go on a crusade today and only mentally disturbed individuals will go. Back then in the dusk of the middle ages things were quite a little bit different.

oh, my bad i thought we were talking about religions in general

I was not.

I just read a very intelligent novel about Islam of which no English translation exists yet; the German title is "Himmelssucher" ("Seekers of Heaven"). The author is of Islamic faith himself, and the book tells you more about Islam than any scientific treatise on it. Highly recommended!