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AtomicCrimsonRush 
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 Posted: March 28 2012 at 17:56 |
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As an experiment I tried it
1 star rating took it down from 4.72 to 4.68 with a review it would go down from 4.68 to 4.14 Dang! I cant get rid of my 1 star rating now. I will have to get this album unless someone can delete my rating. Oh well thats how it works when you rate with or without a review
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: March 28 2012 at 17:58 |
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I agree but how do you police every case? This one is obvious of course but there must be others. Its annoying cos the same guy might try it again and wreck our system |
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: March 28 2012 at 18:03 |
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I just checked too and if I reviewed it it would be off the top 100
Thats a massive drop in ratings. Maybe i should get hold of it LOL... I know it would be junk as its a bad tribute band. Anyhoo move along. EDIT: Okay it is available for download believe it or not so will listen and review today... should prove interesting listening.... Edited by AtomicCrimsonRush - March 28 2012 at 18:08 |
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TheGazzardian
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Posted: March 28 2012 at 18:16 |
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I think this is the reason Collaborator ratings are weighted so high, so that when we do check out this "rising stars" and review them, their ratings even out the abuse quicker.
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: March 28 2012 at 18:25 |
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Ah I just saw that the Yes tribute album exists already here!
Just delete the other album and all those ratings will go so problem solved - it will frustrate the multi user too and he might give up! btw listening to it now and it really is mediocre.... worth about 2 stars though as I like some of the singing...
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Epignosis
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Posted: March 28 2012 at 18:48 |
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To speak only of the top 100 on the front page is short-sighted. All other charts are affected by this manipulation. I know I've bought albums by saying, "Wow, I remember this had a 4.17 on the X genre page! And it's only $10! I'm having it!"
I appreciate the admin team for looking into it and brainstorming possible solutions.  Hopefully I'll have an idea or three, but I'm not as tech savvy as they. |
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Dean
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Posted: March 28 2012 at 18:48 |
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Also remember two things:
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: March 28 2012 at 19:06 |
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Yeah I know, I though I could remove it. My bad. And the Yes tribute album exists already - same exact songs, year of release and artists but diff cover It might be just as well to delete the other as its a pain. I heard it just now and its bad. Writing a review but its not worth much. This one could easily go Edited by AtomicCrimsonRush - March 28 2012 at 19:16 |
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Logan
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Posted: March 28 2012 at 19:48 |
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It's quite something to see how much he has manipulated the list. Just with Various Artists, he managed to bring four album into the top 100 (two of those into the top 50), and 10 total into the top 200.
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octopus-4
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Posted: March 28 2012 at 23:24 |
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Todd's idea (if technically feasible) sounds good: exclude from the top-anything albums with ratings only or allow them only after a certain number of proper reviews.
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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Logan
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Posted: March 29 2012 at 00:48 |
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One might set it up so that ratings without reviews have no effect on album ranking (but still affect average rating), but don't know how hard that would be to do.
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DamoXt7942
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Posted: March 29 2012 at 00:57 |
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Maybe we'll find hyperplasia of cheesy reviews or something ...
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Logan
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Posted: March 29 2012 at 01:20 |
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Possibly, but it could help to lessen ranking manipulation. Of course we could do away with ranked lists and even ratings altogether (not saying we should).
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 29 2012 at 03:50 |
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I wouldn't personally administer the beating. I do errors, omissions and MP3 uploads. No, I would send our crack PA retribution team( S. America division)
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octopus-4
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Posted: March 29 2012 at 04:24 |
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A friend of mine is a former full-contact brasilian champion and lives in that area. Can I ask him?
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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Posted: March 29 2012 at 14:11 |
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I have a friend in Rio but he's a comic book geek so I don't think he'd be much help.... your friend sounds much better suited for the job, octopus
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: April 01 2012 at 00:26 |
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I reviewed both the YES tribute albums that are identical and at least now they are off the top 100 list. But those albums were not very good and worth 2 stars for about 3 decent trax! Loved Judie Tzuke's songs though - she sounded great!
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octopus-4
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Posted: April 01 2012 at 16:33 |
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I have just reviewed Jon Anderson's "Angel's Embrace". I have rated it two stars and I have noticed that this is more or less how all the reviewers have rated it, so I've been surprised to see that it's rating is 3.44, so I went to see "all the ratings" and can you guess......?
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: April 01 2012 at 20:53 |
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I believe we should stop ratings without reviews at least for a while.
I believe his shouldn't exist and this manipulation proves it. Maybe allow ratings without reviews but on a separate list that doesn't count for the top 100 list. Iván
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: April 01 2012 at 21:26 |
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Or maybe allow ratings without reviews only to members.
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