Trespass - an overlooked Genesis classic? - Progressive Rock Music Forum

Trespass was a giant step towards artistic maturity for Genesis. Side 1 is pretty good, side 2 reaches masterpiece level (Stagnation, The Knife). Compared to this one, FGtR sounded like a schoolboy album, a dragon launched too young.

AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Hey, if anyone knows of any albums that are similar to this one please let me know(other than AP solo albums that is).

You might give Camelias Garden a chance. It sounds rather pastoral in a way, thus reminding me of Trespass.

Edited by someone_else - November 09 2017 at 05:57

Regarding things ' like Trespass'......one of my favorites is Fantasy....especially the second one called Beyond the Beyond.

One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
Haquin

Love it. I love others more, but I still come back to this one again and again. Stagnation is the pick for me. The build into Peter's ferocious vocal is mind-blowing.

miamiscot wrote:

Very good album but the real magic started on the next release.

I agree.

I've always loved Trespass...especially Visions of Angels & Looking for Someone Wink

Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987

Man I dig "Dusk". Gorgeous little bugger.

richardh wrote:

The Knife was actually inspired by The Nice - Rondo (Rutherford was a fan and brought it to Banks attention) . very Emersonesque . I never liked the Genesis Live version. Collins playing it was similar to Palmer playing Rondo in ELP. Too busy. Its needs that solid uncomplicated drumming to make it work properly.

The rest of the album is nice enough . Dusk and Stagnation stand out for me but as already said The Musical Box was a big stride forward with the added clout of Hackett and Collins (much like Wakeman and Howe elevated Yes around the same time).

That surprises me, re; the Genesis live version. I much prefer the live version, mostly thanks to Collins

I love Stagnation too. A contender for best track on the album alongside The Knife.

Edited by Blacksword - November 10 2017 at 03:08

Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!

Overlooked? It is highly regarded - and rightfully so.

lostrom

I play Trespass frequently. I never overlooked it. It's a very rare gem. One thing you can't do is listen to any Neo Prog and hear Trespass. It really has a very unique flavor among the five, while still foreshadowing all of them. My favorites are Looking for Someone, White Mountain, and Dusk...it's all good except for Visions of Angels, which I often skip over, but even that's better than some weak tracks on some of the other five. It's so interesting hearing how they achieved such symphonic sound without the aid of a mellotron (I marvel at the same thing with Focus too).

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richardh wrote:

The Knife was actually inspired by The Nice - Rondo (Rutherford was a fan and brought it to Banks attention) . very Emersonesque . I never liked the Genesis Live version. Collins playing it was similar to Palmer playing Rondo in ELP. Too busy. Its needs that solid uncomplicated drumming to make it work properly.

The rest of the album is nice enough . Dusk and Stagnation stand out for me but as already said The Musical Box was a big stride forward with the added clout of Hackett and Collins (much like Wakeman and Howe elevated Yes around the same time).

That's really interesting you say that. To me the Collins version of The Knife, in Genesis Live (1973) is so much better, yet as an album, I prefer Trespass, without Collins, to Nursery Cryme, with Collins.

It's the same with Script For A Jester's Tear, which is an album I really love. I so much prefer Mosley to Pointer as a drummer, yet Script For A Jester's Tear is a much better album than Fugazi. Maybe it's the fact that the first Marillion album features their best material which they are anxious to release first.

Then with Trespass you have a situation where Anthony Phillips favours 12-string guitar over Steve Hackett, who favours electric guitar. So if Steve Hackett had played on the Trespass studio album would the album had been just as good. All you can say is that Trespass recorded with Phil Collins and Steve Hackett would have been a much different album to the album we listen to. But would it have been better? Who can say?