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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

I love the breakdown section of the title track. It's both light hearted and dark at the same time somehow. Oh, and the guitar solo is just incredible.
Yeah, Andy Powell does make the song!
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Originally posted by Squonk19 Squonk19 wrote:

A classic album, although I also have a preference for Turn of the Cards. Carnegie remains one of the best live albums ever and many of the tracks covered gain something extra live. Annie's voice does amaze me at times!


Indeed the songs gain something, though I can't really point it. In other band's live songs, I can hear more energy, extended solos, something different, that in many cases make the songs better (or worse, even). But in Carnegie Hall the songs are played almost excatly as they are in the studio albums (except for Ashes are Burning, of course), yet they do sound better to me... like more organic, warmer, but I can't really point it out.


Well, for one, they play Carpet faster at LATC and many shows up to the mid 70s than the recording. Did that with other songs off other albums like Running Hard as well. And Annie sings the songs better live which probably lifts the band as well. You should especially check out live performances of Day of the Dreamer. There is almost a call response going on between Annie's vocal delivery and Camp's basslines in the middle verse.


I think those particular ones that were played faster are the ones I actually prefer on their studio versions, though I hadn't really noticed that difference. And yeah, Annie's singing is better too. I guess it's weird for a rock singer to actually sing better on their concerts than on studio. I guess another one capable of doing that is Jon Anderson.


The ones with kinda wobbly technique like AXL are the ones who may not fare so well live vis a vis the studio. In heavy metal too, like Annie, the singers can often produce better live versions. Because you need solid fundamentals to be able to belt out notes cleanly in terms fifth octave without resorting to shrieky rasps. I don't know whether you are into Black Sabbath, but on Live Evil, Dio breaks into high melismas on the chorus of Children of the Sea and it's beautiful. Jeff Buckley was also terrific live.


I do like some Sabbath, though I don't remember that particular characteristic on the live version of the song... yet indeed Dio is another one who can do whatever he wants live, and make the songs even better. On the other hand, considering Sabbath, I think my very favourite album (and almost the only one I need from the Ozzy albums) the reunion live album. It's got almost all the most essential songs from the Ozzy era, and almost all of them are much better than the originals.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

I love the breakdown section of the title track. It's both light hearted and dark at the same time somehow. Oh, and the guitar solo is just incredible.

Yeah, Andy Powell does make the song!


But what do you prefer on that song, Andy Powell's guitar solo, or Annie singing those parts. It's a bit difficult for me to decide, for both give the song a cool eerie atmosphere to end the song, but I should give the edge to Annie's singing of the part, just because it's one of her most chilling performances. I can imagine them choosing what to do with the song live.
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I do like some Sabbath, though I don't remember that particular characteristic on the live version of the song... yet indeed Dio is another one who can do whatever he wants live, and make the songs even better. On the other hand, considering Sabbath, I think my very favourite album (and almost the only one I need from the Ozzy albums) the reunion live album. It's got almost all the most essential songs from the Ozzy era, and almost all of them are much better than the originals.
I never liked Ozzy live much, don't mind him on the 70s bootlegs. But as far as the studio albums go, I overwhelmingly prefer the Ozzy albums, especially Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage. The Dio led band may have been tighter but it was also not much like the Sabbath of old, as Ozzy himself remarked and which predictably didn't go down well.
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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

I love the breakdown section of the title track. It's both light hearted and dark at the same time somehow. Oh, and the guitar solo is just incredible.

Yeah, Andy Powell does make the song!


But what do you prefer on that song, Andy Powell's guitar solo, or Annie singing those parts. It's a bit difficult for me to decide, for both give the song a cool eerie atmosphere to end the song, but I should give the edge to Annie's singing of the part, just because it's one of her most chilling performances. I can imagine them choosing what to do with the song live.

Powell's solo is beautiful and emotional.  But Annie's live vocalise is just unprecedented.  I am not talking about the LATC version here which is still pretty modest compared to what she would do at Capitol '78, Boardwalk '79 and Park West '83.  I have no clue why the band left out the Boardwalk performance of Ashes are Burning from the Song of Scheherazade DVD.  Could have easily been the highlight of the entire DVD, even with most of the vocalise post the Imagine the burning embers verse focused bizarrely on the rotating crystal ball.
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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

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I do like some Sabbath, though I don't remember that particular characteristic on the live version of the song... yet indeed Dio is another one who can do whatever he wants live, and make the songs even better. On the other hand, considering Sabbath, I think my very favourite album (and almost the only one I need from the Ozzy albums) the reunion live album. It's got almost all the most essential songs from the Ozzy era, and almost all of them are much better than the originals.

I never liked Ozzy live much, don't mind him on the 70s bootlegs. But as far as the studio albums go, I overwhelmingly prefer the Ozzy albums, especially Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage. The Dio led band may have been tighter but it was also not much like the Sabbath of old, as Ozzy himself remarked and which predictably didn't go down well.


The only live ones I know from them are Reunion and Live Evil. Particularly on Reunion I love how they pumped so much more energy, and turned the songs into real metal songs, with the more modern crunching guitars. The studio versions sound too tame for me after that, and I just can't enjoy them the same.
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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

I love the breakdown section of the title track. It's both light hearted and dark at the same time somehow. Oh, and the guitar solo is just incredible.

Yeah, Andy Powell does make the song!


But what do you prefer on that song, Andy Powell's guitar solo, or Annie singing those parts. It's a bit difficult for me to decide, for both give the song a cool eerie atmosphere to end the song, but I should give the edge to Annie's singing of the part, just because it's one of her most chilling performances. I can imagine them choosing what to do with the song live.
On the Ashes are Burning album I prefer Powell's guitar. I love Annie's coda on many live versions though.
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