Second tier of "big" bands?

Supertramp is also there as a logical member of the progressive family tree as second tier.

They have and are of same generation and ambission as the prog originator but alongside Roxy Music and 10cc founded crossover prog. Cements a

also they share DNA with King Crimson with Richard Palmer James.

Procol Harum are also second tier

Edited by Icarium - November 25 2019 at 10:52

BrufordFreak wrote: I like your choices: Can, Art Zoyd, Cardiacs, and Talk Talk (Post Rock/minimalism) have certainly all had their impact on the artists of the recent 25 years. Have Zappa, Camel and/or Renaissance had such an impact???

For me, it's
- Camel.
- Van Der Graaf Generator.
- Gentle Giant.
- Renaissance.
And then, thinking about subgenres, other countries besides England, solo artists, post 70's artists, etc, some that come to my mind (and some of which I don't even know):
- Strawbs.
- Hawkwind.
- Caravan.
- Rick Wakeman.
- Steve Hackett.
- Peter Gabriel.
- Rush.
- Kansas.
- PFM.
- Banco del Mutuo Socorsso.
- Le Orme.
- Ange.
- SBB.
- Marillion.
- Dream Theater.
- Porcupine Tree.

If we go with Big 6 contemporaries: Camel, VDGG, Rush, Kansas, Gentle Giant, Supertramp. (Maybe ELO?)

BrufordFreak wrote: Blacksword wrote: I would put Rush in the top tier, based on album sales and artistic influence and stature within the genre and the music industry. The certainly outsold and had a much further reaching influence on other artists than King Crimson ever did. These discussions about which divisions bands are in, are difficult and very subjective without agreeing the criteria. Even if the criteria is 'progressiveness' there is broad disagreement about what that actually constitutes. Great points! I think I was thinking of legacy or "influence upon other musicians" i.e. contribution to the creation of other bands and/or music. That's why I included the Canterbury artists cuz they had such a HUGE impact on other musicians at the time (or, at least, that's what all of the Robert Wyatt fans would have us believe). While it's true that Rush has a massive sales advantage over KC and VDGG and GG, has their their sound and style had as much influence? (Probably, yes!) Has the influence of Camel or Marillion or Dream Theater (or Wobbler) had as wide-spread of an impact? It feels obvious to me that ELP, Tull, Yes, Genesis, Crimson, and Floyd have all had HUGE and lasting impact in terms of inspiring other artists that have come after. Can the same be said of your choices for a "Second Six"?

The influence of Rush will be broad throughout the industry. From Metallica to Iron Maiden, to Dream Theater to The Smashing Pumpkins to The Manic Street Preachers many have cited Rush as either an inspiration or an influence.

Of the agreed top tier acts, I would actually say only Genesis and Floyd have been of any real significant influence. Acts like ELP and Tull, although mighty in their tiem, have not had an obvious, far reaching influence on the music of others IMO. In fact the less high profile 'Krautrock' bands, and the likes of Hawkwind and VDGG were probably far more influential, going by their admirers in the punk, New wave and indie scenes.

I didn't choose Mike Oldfield in my list because you were asking for a second tier of *bands*.

miamiscot wrote: The Big Six were all UK bands from the 70's - so if we keep that in mind the next six should be: Gentle Giant Camel Van Der Graaf Generator Hawkwind Renaissance Mike Oldfield Or we could do a new Big Six comprised of contemporary artists. That might look like this: Porcupine Tree/Steven Wilson  Spock's Beard/Neal Morse The Flower Kings  Big Big Train Dream Theater Opeth

dougmcauliffe wrote: I know camel has been very influential on me and the music I make at the very least!^^ but I’m not about to argue their influence compared to Zappa.

AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: miamiscot wrote: The Big Six were all UK bands from the 70's - so if we keep that in mind the next six should be: Gentle Giant Camel Van Der Graaf Generator Hawkwind Renaissance Mike Oldfield Or we could do a new Big Six comprised of contemporary artists. That might look like this: Porcupine Tree/Steven Wilson  Spock's Beard/Neal Morse The Flower Kings  Big Big Train Dream Theater Opeth No way would I put Big Big Train ahead of Transatlantic, Echolyn, Ozric Tentacles or Anglagard. They are a good band though.  I guess maybe it depends if you are going by popularity, influence or just personal taste though. If you go back just ten years BBT were barely on anyone's radar.

miamiscot wrote: AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: miamiscot wrote: The Big Six were all UK bands from the 70's - so if we keep that in mind the next six should be: Gentle Giant Camel Van Der Graaf Generator Hawkwind Renaissance Mike Oldfield Or we could do a new Big Six comprised of contemporary artists. That might look like this: Porcupine Tree/Steven Wilson  Spock's Beard/Neal Morse The Flower Kings  Big Big Train Dream Theater Opeth No way would I put Big Big Train ahead of Transatlantic, Echolyn, Ozric Tentacles or Anglagard. They are a good band though.  I guess maybe it depends if you are going by popularity, influence or just personal taste though. If you go back just ten years BBT were barely on anyone's radar. I was trying to account for popularity, influence, etc. If it were up to me Dream Theater and Opted would not be there!!!

Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - November 27 2019 at 11:37