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dwill123
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Successful = most influential, that would be (for me) King Crimson.
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MortSahlFan
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Pink Floyd
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Nope. As someone who studies album sales of certain bands intently I have to say I disagree with some of this. First of all it's true that the first three albums went gold but in the case of the second and third only a few years later and not when they were first released. The first album didn't go gold until the 90's. Also, POKR and Leftoverture went four times platinum not more than that. If they sold more it hasn't been documented by the riaa(maybe someday but not as of yet). Finally, Monolith did not go platinum. It "only" went gold. If it has gone platinum then it hasn't been documented. It is certainly possible albums have sold more than what the riaa reports(they can only certify something if it's requested and since it costs money to make that request not all record companies do that until they are sure it's worth it if they do it at all)but we can only know what is official.
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Manuel
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Depending of the genre I would say. Regaring Synphonyc prog, it has a lot of influence from Genesis/Yes. Heavy or metal prog from Rush/King Crimson.
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iluvmarillion
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Financial success = Pink Floyd
Artistic success = King Crimson Influential Success = Really only one of those bands falls away and that's ELP. All the others have been largely influential.
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TheLionOfPrague
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Yes is the quintessential progressive band. If someone asks what's prog, I'd mention classic era Yes. I would say the most succesful artists is Pink Floyd, but strictly talking in prog terms is Yes. One could also mention King Crimson given they're the most "important", whether they created the genre or not, they certainly redefined it as we know it with ITCOTCK. Genesis and ELP come slightly below, though ELP were very important in making it the leading rock movement of the first half of the '70s. They made it cool.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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I think a lot of people are just voting for Pink Floyd without reading the fine print. As a rock band in general only a few artists were as successful or more successful. For prog I think there are others who were more influential and even more popular within the genre. Also, there's the fact that not everyone even agrees they are prog in the first place(which doesn't help them any in some respects).
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dougmcauliffe
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Oops, my bad on that one. Knew I shouldn't have trusted my memory. Still though, pretty good numbers for a band out of bumblef**k nowhere!
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Well, like I said it's quite likely they have sold more then what is listed anyway. That holds true with other bands. For example, Dark side of the moon is listed as 15 million but that is from 1998. I'm pretty sure it has sold at least 22 million by now. Close to the Edge is certified as platinum(also 1998) but has probably sold at least 1.5 by now and maybe even 2 million. Who knows. There's probably other examples too. Monolith was listed on wikipedia at one point as selling one million but that hasn't been verified on the riaa website so it can't be considered official. I'm an editor on wikipedia so I had to change that so it only showed gold status. Trust, me that was hard to do. ;) I dont mind someone changing it back as long as it reflects the truth but so far no evidence to suggest it has gone platinum yet(only gold).
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richardh
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Nearly impossible this
Floyd - made 3 fantastic albums but then 'died' as the band started to split apart Genesis - nowhere near 'interesting enough'. Banks didn't embrace the keyboard tech enough Yes - far too hung up on the whole cosmic thing it almost became a parody of itself Rush - Yawn , not even really 'progressive' ELP - Like Yes became a bit of a parody of itself especially around the time of Fanfare For The Common Man so the clear winner is King Crimson NEVER became a parody of itself. ALWAYS remained fresh and inventive STILL sold plenty of albums AND massively influential
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I'd like the OP to make it BOLD it's not about commercial success.... or even rethink the title, because frankly, successful = wealth + fame + recognition, mostly! Back to the topic. Pink Floyd - inspired many people outside of prog, but their most "famous" albums are easy listening really Genesis - too little recognition in the 70s, maybe the most "obscure" of the lot in pre-Duke era. It must be said they influenced a heck load of bands later on, especially in the Neo Prog days Yes - well they had recognition in prog days, had the money, inspired some artists - although their style and technical prowess was hard to mimic. Definitely a very successful and quintessential band, could be my pick Rush - not that proggy, I think they influenced the nerdy crowd and maybe 90s prog metal, but for prog rock, they arrived too late ELP - maybe the biggest name in prog rock, commercially, in the 1970-73 era. Emerson was a household name, Lake was too, and they lived up to the hype. They really fell out of favor later and never really "redeemed" themselves outside of prog circles. As richardh mentioned, "self parody" was a problem So I pick King Crimson
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Frenetic Zetetic
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OP either needs to reframe his premise or change the title of this thread because he's asking the very question he insists he doesn't want the answer to based on his own criteria, lmao.
I'd argue 9 out of 10 people will recognize the name Pink Floyd, less will know Genesis, ELP, and Yes - the rest don't stand a chance lol.
Pink Floyd even though they aren't my favorite, it's obvious they are the most successful. |
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Mortte
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I think itīs absolutely KC, it really has influenced most outside prog from those bands, there are even 2000`s alternative music fans that love KC.
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FatherChristmas
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KC aren't hugely famous, though everyone who's heard of prog rock has heard of KC. I'd say Genesis because, like Pink Floyd, they're pretty well known outside of prog and thus can inspire musicians who aren't familiar with prog, and like KC, have done some genre defining stuff. However, what I can't give them credit for is being like King Crimson and going on making different music into oblivion, so I'd say IMO KC and PF would be joint second.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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There's alternative and metal fans who like KC. The same thing with Porcupine Tree. I would say all of these bands probably have some kind of following or fans outside of strictly prog circles though. That's what happens when a band reaches a certain level of fame and notoriety. With some it's probably more on the classic rock side(PF, ELP, Yes) and with others it's more indie and alternative(KC and PF and to some degree Rush). Genesis probably are a mixture of those with probably a lot of "pop" fans also. Most metal fans are probably more into Rush, KC and PF then any of the others though.
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FatherChristmas
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Most people like KC, I'll admit that.
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"Music is the wine that fills the cup of silence" - Robert Fripp
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Most people who like prog anyway.
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Spacegod87
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Outside of prog.....right now, that's probably KC. I'm hearing them pop up everywhere in the mainstream now. Every basic bitch getting into the Crimson.
Also big in the anime scene. My younger brother rambled on for 5 minutes about 'JoJo's bizarre adventure' the first time I mentioned King Crimson to him. It's Crimson-mania....well maybe not to that extent, yet.
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dr wu23
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If not successful -regarding money- then....going with KC.....btw a poll here in 2017 asked the most influential
and the ranking was: KC Floyd Yes Genesis ELP
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Tom Ozric
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Floyd and Genesis. They are household names and the members are quite well-off.
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