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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19265 |
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Ok, so that was late 80's?
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 19340 |
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Mid to late '80s and very early 90s...
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Mudpuppy64 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 07 2018 Location: BC Canada Status: Offline Points: 222 |
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You have hit the nail on the head right there . But you forgot the little puff before hand lol .
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Grumpyprogfan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 09 2019 Location: KC Status: Offline Points: 12816 |
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LOL... yep and dreaming of Pink Fairies in Never Never Land...
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Boboulo ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: August 21 2020 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 676 |
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The answer is no, because the terms "progressive music" and Underground were synonyms back then, thus a declination from the established standards was expected.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19265 |
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The Beatles
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twosteves ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 01 2007 Location: NYC/Rhinebeck Status: Offline Points: 4096 |
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influences are one thing but sounding like another band isn't really something that has ever interested me--a good artist (in music or visual art) can come up with something completely original like Yes or Genesis did and have influences but still sound original ---I don't love a lot of newer bands because the level of creativity isn't very high and the influences are obvious. Tales and the Lamb were thought to have gone too far back in the day but today they still sound amazing---especially the Lamb.
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 30197 |
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You didn't mention the most obvious massive elephant in the room ELP - Pictures At An Exhibition that really got the critics hot under collar. A rock band doing a complete classical work , just how dare they ( and with cannons) Weird noises coming from the Moog and what is that screeching sound during The Great Gate Of Kiev?! The crowd going totally bananas. ELP invented a 'top' that no one else was capable of going over
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 19340 |
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The Beatles were very vocal in their admiration of Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry, Cliff Richards, the Everly Brothers, and Buddy Holly. Their songwriting and harmonies were heavily influenced by all of them early on.
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Frenetic Zetetic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 09 2017 Location: Now Status: Offline Points: 9233 |
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I think you're over-thinking it, OP. This is progressive rock. The entire purpose as bands were progressing conventional rock tradition in unorthodox ways. They didn't go far enough in the 70's IMHO.
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20587 |
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Some did in the early and late 70's when they splatered some of this on the master tapes thi,nking of TFTO, APP, Procol's Something Magic, ELP's Works, etc... ![]() Edited by Sean Trane - September 08 2020 at 03:01 |
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uduwudu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 17 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2603 |
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These suites of music are not songs. Songs have verses and choruses. And a bridge if you're lucky. And no they did not go too far. Is this the inference I should draw? There is a lot of anti AOR type comment which is when prog bands do ... songs. And get killed for it ... Asia... And then when it comes to yer long drawn out pieces they get slammed for that as well. For a short time prog rock existed outside of a pop culture fashion / industry marketed trend. Then it operated inside this constraint. It was very funny when the industry finally was able to market this but not really keep it on life support. Well done...
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Manuel ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 09 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13481 |
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I don't think so. Each band put two or maybe three albums that meets the criteria you've mentioned. The rest of their albums had plenty of songs that were "radio friendly" and many of them saw some commercial success, like Living in the Past, From the Beginning, Us and Them, etc.
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13358 |
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Using historical context within popular music, yes, prog bands went too far (for their own good, pop-wise). Not to say I don't love and cherish the albums heretofore mentioned, but albums like A Passion Play (on the heels of Thick as a Brick), Works by ELP, TfTO from Yes and the indecipherable The Lamb Dies Down on Broadway led to the inevitable backlash by critics in the mid-70s, and by bands and the record-buying public that led to punk and then new wave.
It happened, it was a noticeable reaction, and by 1980s nearly every major band had juggled their lineups and changed their musical style (Yes, Tull, Genesis), were defunct (ELP), or were about to break up (Pink Floyd). King Crimson returned but their initial 1981 return release had flavors of Talking Heads/new wave via the Adrian Belew connection.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19265 |
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It's a hypothetical question and not my opinion but something I thought some people might think of about prog rock. Yes, the point was to be as different as they could(for some anyway)but did others think they took it too far and at what point did they jump the shark? I would say probably in 1974 but it probably depends on the band.
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Well, I stand by what I said. ^ |
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 19340 |
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What the heck!
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The Anders ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 02 2019 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 3535 |
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I'd rather say that some of them didn't go far enough. But in the same decade, Lou Reed put out Metal Machine Music.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19265 |
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The only way they could have gone further is if someone put out a triple album with one song on it.
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