The Republican Thunderdome

^ Did you watch those videos? That technology didn't come from nowhere and imo it's very unlikely that the military or cia or whoever worked with scientists and came up with it in a secretive way. I suppose it's possible but it just seems unlikely to me. One theory suggests (and I'm not saying this is the case either because honestly I don't know either way but unlike you I won't rule anything out) that ufo technology is being used by the military to invent new spacecraft that while made on earth use technology that is extraterrestrial. I know that won't fly with you (pun intended - kind of) because you don't seem to think UFOs have ever been here (crashed or not) in the first place. It's ok. I know a lot of people still don't believe in UFOs. I get it. I don't see any other logical explanation though (at least not one that makes sense to me).

Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - September 28 2023 at 19:05

^Well, it's a good and interesting discussion but ultimately I think we'll have to agree to disagree. ;)

Atavachron wrote: ^ The thing is I've been looking into it for decades so my perspective is one who has been through the looking glass, down the rabbit hole, and back again, and my current thinking is that it is more likely to be human-made stuff than aliens or alien-based backward-engineering. To your question, I did not watch the material you posted but I will try to as it sounds interesting.   But I've seen most all of it and my simple opinion is that UAPs are real, aliens [particularly alien abductions] are not, and the tech developed has yielded far more than anyone expected.   Not unlike the atomic bomb. But frankly I'd rather it be aliens, because the possibility that this stuff is in the hands of not just our military but also private groups with nefarious intentions, is terrifying.

I'm curious how he came to that conclusion too. I personally believe what I believe in part because I watch a lot of this tv show called paranormal caught on camera and they show all kinds of weird stuff (not just UFOs).  And it's not just one kind of UFO that I've seen on that show. There are so many different kinds. Imo, they can't all be from the government. I highly recommend that show.

AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: ^Well, that's just it. They aren't "running into" us. They are just spying on us.

progaardvark wrote: ^If that's the case, it's not just secret tech, but new physics too. I understand some of these craft are capable of accelerating from anywhere between 100g to over 5000g without a sonic boom. Or going from 28,000 feet in the air down to sea level in under a second without really causing much disturbance to the sea below it when it stopped.

AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: I'm curious how he came to that conclusion too. I personally believe what I believe in part because I watch a lot of this tv show called paranormal caught on camera and they show all kinds of weird stuff (not just UFOs).  And it's not just one kind of UFO that I've seen on that show. There are so many different kinds. Imo, they can't all be from the government. I highly recommend that show.

progaardvark wrote: Atavachron wrote: ^ The thing is I've been looking into it for decades so my perspective is one who has been through the looking glass, down the rabbit hole, and back again, and my current thinking is that it is more likely to be human-made stuff than aliens or alien-based backward-engineering. To your question, I did not watch the material you posted but I will try to as it sounds interesting.   But I've seen most all of it and my simple opinion is that UAPs are real, aliens [particularly alien abductions] are not, and the tech developed has yielded far more than anyone expected.   Not unlike the atomic bomb. But frankly I'd rather it be aliens, because the possibility that this stuff is in the hands of not just our military but also private groups with nefarious intentions, is terrifying. I'm curious about what led you to your current thinking. Do you have some sources, like some book titles or some articles or websites? Although I haven't had much time in recent months to read, if there is something you can recommend, I'll add it to my "things to read in the future" list. It can be just one or two titles that I can sink my teeth into. Thanks!

Atavachron wrote: AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: I'm curious how he came to that conclusion too. I personally believe what I believe in part because I watch a lot of this tv show called paranormal caught on camera and they show all kinds of weird stuff (not just UFOs).  And it's not just one kind of UFO that I've seen on that show. There are so many different kinds. Imo, they can't all be from the government. I highly recommend that show. I looked at your suggested 'Pentagon declassifies UFO navy videos' stuff and it's footage I'm familiar with---  some of it is fascinating like the rotating gyro-craft off the side of the jet with the pilot's descriptions, much of it is grainy, vague and of poor quality.   The point is not that these craft do things that aren't supposed to be possible, but that their patterns of behavior are emerging more as human harassment, intimidation and vandalism rather than aliens who are here for some mysterious purpose.

Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - September 29 2023 at 16:33

Atavachron wrote: progaardvark wrote: Atavachron wrote: ^ The thing is I've been looking into it for decades so my perspective is one who has been through the looking glass, down the rabbit hole, and back again, and my current thinking is that it is more likely to be human-made stuff than aliens or alien-based backward-engineering. To your question, I did not watch the material you posted but I will try to as it sounds interesting.   But I've seen most all of it and my simple opinion is that UAPs are real, aliens [particularly alien abductions] are not, and the tech developed has yielded far more than anyone expected.   Not unlike the atomic bomb. But frankly I'd rather it be aliens, because the possibility that this stuff is in the hands of not just our military but also private groups with nefarious intentions, is terrifying. I'm curious about what led you to your current thinking. Do you have some sources, like some book titles or some articles or websites? Although I haven't had much time in recent months to read, if there is something you can recommend, I'll add it to my "things to read in the future" list. It can be just one or two titles that I can sink my teeth into. Thanks! You bet--   almost anything by Joseph P. Farrell, particularly Saucers,Swastikas,and Psy-Ops . Now, I am not a conspiracy guy, it's just that the UAP human explanation makes much more sense to me than the alien one.   That is a stretch, no doubt, but I think after all these decades of legitimate UFO sightings and all the research I've looked into, it just doesn't feel like aliens anymore, and closer to a hidden science that is so closely guarded it doesn't matter what the public think as long as the technology is kept secret.