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philippe
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Posted: August 26 2004 at 05:37 |
Without any doubts MANUEL GOTTSCHING despite that he brought a new paradigm in composition for guitar.
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JrKASperov
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Posted: August 26 2004 at 15:38 |
Ritchie Blackmore. Sure, he's famous, but I don't think he gets the credit he's due. His work on In Rock alone is amazing.
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Epic.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: August 26 2004 at 16:12 |
I don't think Vinnie Moore is overrated - he's over-talented and quite the virtuouso, that's true, but not overrated (IMO!). His music doesn't really "shine", or carry the magic of, e.g. Joe Satriani's "Surfing With The Alien".
Steve Vai, OTOH, even if you said he was the best guitarist in the known universe that had ever lived, would still be underrated.
Others (much less virtuosic, and criminally underrated because of it);
Andy Latimer
Steve Rothery
Keep your "noodlers" any day - these guys can wrench out the most gorgeous music and the deepest emotions with a single note; Now that's class!
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 26 2004 at 22:34 |
There are some very underrated guitar players not mentioned here:
Rich Williams: After Robbie Steindhardt violin, Rich's guitar riffs are probably the sound that identifies Kansas, the guy sure kicks a$$.
Steve Hackett: Has anybody ever seen his name in a guitar poll? The guy was one of the key members of Genesis but the fans only discovered his importance after he left, more than 16 albums, most of them masterpieces and he's always forgotten.
Anthony Phillips: If the guy wouldn't had that terrible stage panic, Steve Hackett would had never joined Genesis.
Mick Box: Uriah Heep changed 30 members, but the only one present in every album (almost sure) is Mick Box, a guitar player that defined Prog/metal genre for the first time.
Iván
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threefates
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Joined: June 30 2004
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Posted: August 26 2004 at 22:37 |
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Man Erg
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Posted: August 27 2004 at 05:14 |
philippe wrote:
Without any doubts MANUEL GOTTSCHING despite that he brought a new paradigm in composition for guitar. |
Manuel Gottsching - Absolutely! E2-E4 was/is a revoultionary piece of work.pre-empting ambient dance
music by 15 years.
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5 minute solo
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Posted: August 27 2004 at 06:47 |
omar rodriguez - mars volta
some very good jazz impro. on de-loused in the comatorium
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You want the spoon? You can't handle the spoon!
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onslo
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Posted: August 27 2004 at 11:46 |
yes, Peter Banks. but also Steve hillage and Steve Howe. yeah, i know
people already love Howe but i think he still deserves more praise in
the guitar world.
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: August 27 2004 at 12:40 |
Certif1ed wrote:
Steve Vai, OTOH, even if you said he was the best guitarist in the known universe that had ever lived, would still be underrated.
Keep your "noodlers" any day - these guys can wrench out the most gorgeous music and the deepest emotions with a single note; Now that's class!
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I have always considered Vai a "noodler." A "really really good noodler."
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Easy Livin
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Joined: February 21 2004
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Posted: August 27 2004 at 14:08 |
Ken Hensley is a much better guitarist than he recieves credit for. He spends much of his time on keyboards, and when in Uriah Heep of course, Mick Box was the "lead guitarist".
Hensley though provided a number of the guitar solos, the most noteable being the slide guitar on "Paradise/the Spell" from "Demons and Wizards".
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Certif1ed
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Posted: August 27 2004 at 15:22 |
danbo wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
Steve Vai, OTOH, even if you said he was the best guitarist in the known universe that had ever lived, would still be underrated.
Keep your "noodlers" any day - these guys can wrench out the most gorgeous music and the deepest emotions with a single note; Now that's class!
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I have always considered Vai a "noodler." A "really really good noodler."
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You're damn right he noodles, and usually, when he noodles, it's (incredibly) all intentional rather than lucky - but he does the other stuff too - you know, tunes! And then there's the other stuff he does that isn't tunes and isn't noodle...
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Blacksword
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Posted: August 27 2004 at 15:49 |
Vai does noodle very well indeed!
I saw him with Dave Lee Roth yearsago, and he was the best thing about the gig, well him and the great Mr Sheehan on bass.
I once saw some footage of Steve Vai duelling live with Franka Zappa, and that was a sight and sound to behold!!
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Certif1ed
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Posted: August 27 2004 at 17:28 |
Have you ever seen the somewhat dodgy film "Crossroads" - not the Britney Spears saccharine-saturated autobiography, but the one where the "blues guy" does a deal with the devil? Vai plays the devil's guitarist and the "blues guy"'s parts in the final duel - and frankly, I always thought that (like in real life) the devil had the best tunes!
If you haven't seen it, it's worth seeing just for Stevie in the duel at the end. Smokin'!!!
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: August 27 2004 at 18:15 |
What about the strange switch to classical scales to beat the devil in a blues guitar battle.... Strange?
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James Lee
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Posted: August 27 2004 at 20:22 |
traditionally the devil has been a violinist...it wasn't until he heard Fripp that Satan decided to concentrate on the six-string
oh yeah, and it was the great Ry Cooder who did the blues parts for the 'cutting heads' segment- for all Vai's proficiency, delta blues really isn't his forte. Arlen Roth, ubiquitous guitar trainer and Ralph Maccio's coach for the film, explained that the final sequence was originally supposed to be solely a blues showdown rather than what he termed "this heavy metal nonsense". Originally it was just Roth and Cooder providing the guitar work for the film, but Cooder was replaced by Vai as the demon guitarist (well, to his credit Steve does look more like a demon) whose tracks were actually sped up to accentuate the tension (hard to believe Vai wasn't fast enough- speedy fretwork being a major part of his appeal). Unsung master Bill Kanengiser did the classical guitar work.
Despite the fact that the narrative and dialogue are ridiculously banal, Crossroads is a pretty unique film- besides being required viewing for any budding blues guitarist (especially young white boys like I used to be) it gave Robert Johnson and the blues in general a more-than-deserved boost in popularity. Too bad that people almost always get the actual guitar credits wrong.
Edited by James Lee
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threefates
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Posted: August 27 2004 at 20:58 |
Underrated guitarists... just not prog
- Mick Ronson
- Steven Stills
- Jonny Greenwood
- Dickey Betts
- Tom Morello
- Paul Kossoff
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James Lee
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Posted: August 27 2004 at 21:35 |
 Dickey Betts- what a great call. He and Duane together were pure magic- I especially love their work on "Elizabeth Reed" on the "Filmore East" album.
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: August 27 2004 at 22:40 |
Brings to mind Warren Haynes and Derek Trucks (Butchs son).... Hmmmm good blues!
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: August 27 2004 at 22:46 |
Dick,
How did we miss: Bon Lozaga? He smokes. Not original, but he can tear it up.
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threefates
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Posted: August 27 2004 at 23:15 |
James Lee wrote:
Dickey Betts- what a great call. He and Duane together were pure magic- I especially love their work on "Elizabeth Reed" on the "Filmore East" album. |
and on Jessica... but my favorite song by the Allman Bros.. Midnight Rider...
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