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Winter Wine
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Posted: February 11 2006 at 13:25 |
jcleary wrote:
Words Of Wisdom: If There Ain't No PETER GABRIEL There Ain't NO GENESIS!!!!!!! |
Words of ARROGANCE, not wisdom
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Snow Dog
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Posted: February 11 2006 at 13:31 |
BePinkTheater wrote:
No matter how much you like them in t his period you can't call stuff like Invisible touch, we can't dance, or Calling all stations prog.
It good pop rock music, but not prog at all.
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I can.....you've got Fading Lights, Domino and Home By the Sea from "Genesis".
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Bern
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Posted: February 11 2006 at 13:34 |
jcleary wrote:
Words Of Wisdom: If There Ain't No PETER GABRIEL There Ain't NO GENESIS!!!!!!! |
I can't argue against your opinion but you're missing on some great albums including one of my favorite Genesis album : A trick of the tail.
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jcleary
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Posted: February 11 2006 at 13:39 |
No one is saying that "A Trick of the Tail" isn't a good album.
But experiencing Genesis Live was a life changing experience! I was extremely fortunate to have seen Genesis 3 times in 1972, and the mind boggling performance at Reading in the summer of 1973. I had tried in vain to describe the aura and feeling of Genesis in concert to my friends, but was unable to do them justice. My friends got their chance in December 1973 when Genesis came to the Roxy in Hollywood. Small club absolutely packed with Genesis fanatics that had all been waiting years to see them live. Everyone on their feet screaming at the top of their lungs as the curtain raised to the mellotron strains of "Watchers Of The Skies" Peoples minds were blown as there was Peter standing perfectly still knee deep in dry ice fog wearing a full length rainbow cape and bat wings! After the concert I ran into a friend outside who was visibly shaken. His voice trembling, all he could say was "I can die in peace now, I've seen God." NOW compare that to Phil telling corny jokes and running around in a Hockey T-Shirt. I repeat "If there ain't NO PETER GABRIEL there ain't NO GENESIS"!!!!!!!
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Bern
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Posted: February 11 2006 at 13:45 |
jcleary wrote:
No one is saying that "A Trick of the Tail" isn't a good album.
But experiencing Genesis Live was a life changing experience! I was extremely fortunate to have seen Genesis 3 times in 1972, and the mind boggling performance at Reading in the summer of 1973. I had tried in vain to describe the aura and feeling of Genesis in concert to my friends, but was unable to do them justice. My friends got their chance in December 1973 when Genesis came to the Roxy in Hollywood. Small club absolutely packed with Genesis fanatics that had all been waiting years to see them live. Everyone on their feet screaming at the top of their lungs as the curtain raised to the mellotron strains of "Watchers Of The Skies" Peoples minds were blown as there was Peter standing perfectly still knee deep in dry ice fog wearing a full length rainbow cape and bat wings! After the concert I ran into a friend outside who was visibly shaken. His voice trembling, all he could say was "I can die in peace now, I've seen God." NOW compare that to Phil telling corny jokes and running around in a Hockey T-Shirt. I repeat "If there ain't NO PETER GABRIEL there ain't NO GENESIS"!!!!!!! |
Now, I get your point. I agree that the live concerts without Gabriel Theatrical abilities are no match to the Gabriel-era concerts.
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Nixoleon
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Posted: February 11 2006 at 15:47 |
jcleary wrote:
No one is saying that "A Trick of the Tail" isn't a good album.
But experiencing Genesis Live was a life changing experience! I was extremely fortunate to have seen Genesis 3 times in 1972, and the mind boggling performance at Reading in the summer of 1973. I had tried in vain to describe the aura and feeling of Genesis in concert to my friends, but was unable to do them justice. My friends got their chance in December 1973 when Genesis came to the Roxy in Hollywood. Small club absolutely packed with Genesis fanatics that had all been waiting years to see them live. Everyone on their feet screaming at the top of their lungs as the curtain raised to the mellotron strains of "Watchers Of The Skies" Peoples minds were blown as there was Peter standing perfectly still knee deep in dry ice fog wearing a full length rainbow cape and bat wings! After the concert I ran into a friend outside who was visibly shaken. His voice trembling, all he could say was "I can die in peace now, I've seen God." NOW compare that to Phil telling corny jokes and running around in a Hockey T-Shirt. I repeat "If there ain't NO PETER GABRIEL there ain't NO GENESIS"!!!!!!!
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Does this mean all us young pups born after 1975 can't ever know Genesis? 
Not sure I'm ready to admit that yet. It's in the music, not just the performance, though let's not get into what I would give to have been born (and old enough for concerts) back then. 
But my point-if 1978-1980 Genesis isn't Genesis, it has nothing to do with Peter Gabriel, no man is the band.
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Posted: February 11 2006 at 22:05 |
Nixoleon wrote:
Does this mean all us young pups born after 1975 can't ever know Genesis? 
Not sure I'm ready to admit that yet. It's in the music, not just the performance, though let's not get into what I would give to have been born (and old enough for concerts) back then. 
But my point-if 1978-1980 Genesis isn't Genesis, it has nothing to do with Peter Gabriel, no man is the band.
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It's everything Nixoleon, the music, the bandwork, Peter's abilitty to transmit strong feelings and the shows. When Peter left, Genesis lost much more than just a frontman, the band lost the best lyricist and the personality.
Genesis with Collins and Hackett was very good, but not near the status of masterpiece IMO, but when Hackett left it was over, the band I knew and loved disbanded and I can't care less for any later release.
I honestly wish they would had changed the name of stop releasing albums forever.
If Genesis rejoins with Gabriel and Hackett I would go anywhere they play, if they rejoin without Peter but with Steve, I would go only if I was in the country where they play, but if the 3 men band rejoins I would travel anywhere far enough from the country (better if continent) where they play.
I only saw the Invisible Touch Tour in person and it was a torture (I was 10 when Peter Gabriel left Genesis so I never had the chance to see the fab 5), but thanks God there are many pretty decent DVDR's with good Gabriel Genesis concerts.
And I heard that there are chances to see an official Gabriel Genesis DVD before 2007, hope it's true.
Iván
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Posted: February 11 2006 at 22:16 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
Nixoleon wrote:
Does this mean all us young pups born after 1975 can't ever know Genesis? 
Not sure I'm ready to admit that yet. It's in the music, not
just the performance, though let's not get into what I would give to
have been born (and old enough for concerts) back then. 
But my point-if 1978-1980 Genesis isn't Genesis, it has nothing to do with Peter Gabriel, no man is the band.
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It's everything Nixoleon, the music, the bandwork, Peter's abilitty
to transmit strong feelings and the shows. When Peter left, Genesis
lost much more than just a frontman, the band lost the best lyricist
and the personality.
Genesis with Collins and Hackett was very good, but not near the
status of masterpiece IMO, but when Hackett left it was over, the
band I knew and loved disbanded and I can't care less for any
later release.
I honestly wish they would had changed the name of stop releasing albums forever.
If Genesis rejoins with Gabriel and Hackett I would go anywhere
they play, if they rejoin without Peter but with Steve, I would go only
if I was in the country where they play, but if the 3 men band
rejoins I would travel anywhere far enough from the country
(better if continent) where they play.
I only saw the Invisible Touch Tour in person and it was a torture
(I was 10 when Peter Gabriel left Genesis so I
never had the chance to see the fab 5), but thanks God there are many
pretty decent DVDR's with good Gabriel Genesis concerts.
And I heard that there are chances to see an official Gabriel Genesis DVD before 2007, hope it's true.
Iván
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I for one would love to see that DVD, having seen some Gabriel era
Genesis performances from T.V. shows. Any details/rumours
Ivan on that official release... I know there is that multiple DVD set
of Gabriel era Genesis performances floating out there in internet
land. I bid on the set on Ebay and dropped out when the price
went over $350
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FragileDT
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Posted: February 11 2006 at 22:28 |
Winter Wine wrote:
jcleary wrote:
Words Of Wisdom: If There Ain't
No PETER GABRIEL There Ain't NO GENESIS!!!!!!! |
Words of ARROGANCE, not wisdom |
I would change it to, if there ain't no Gabriel or Hackett, there ain't no
Genesis. And if there ain't no Gabriel there ain't no masterpiece (even
though I wouldn't have said ain't.) And I will stand by that 110%.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: February 11 2006 at 23:40 |
micky wrote:
I for one would love to see that DVD, having seen some Gabriel era Genesis performances from T.V. shows. Any details/rumours Ivan on that official release... I know there is that multiple DVD set of Gabriel era Genesis performances floating out there in internet land. I bid on the set on Ebay and dropped out when the price went over $350
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There's an official video called "Genesis in Concert" that has a pretty good quality, with costumes and stories a friend gave a DVD copy of it, with Watcher of the Skies, Dancing with the Moonlit Knight, The Musical Box, I Know What I like and Supper's Ready.
It has to be official because it's credited by Tony Stratton Smith who owned the Genesis rights back in 1973. If you can find it get it, because is excellent.
Iván
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Lord Qwerty
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Posted: February 11 2006 at 23:51 |
Lord Qwerty appreciates the '78-'80 incarnation of Genesis... for the right price.
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Lord Qwerty is remarkably pretentious.
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martinprog77
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Posted: February 11 2006 at 23:55 |
jcleary wrote:
Words Of Wisdom: If There Ain't No PETER GABRIEL There Ain't NO GENESIS!!!!!!! | if there ain't STEVE HACKETT there ain't any genesis
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: February 12 2006 at 00:20 |
Great thread
- ATTWT (***1/2) - Lady Lies, Down and Out, Snowbound, Undertow - great songs
- DUKE (****) - Excellent album! Duke Suite, Heathaze, Cul-de-Sac, Man of Our Times! Prog rock at its most exciting.
I actually like Collins era Genesis, specifically 76-80, more than the Gabriel era.
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Posted: February 12 2006 at 00:38 |
I don't undestand how people can trash this period of Genesis, I love ATTWT and Duke, both great, solid albums...
wonderful tours too!
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valravennz
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Posted: February 12 2006 at 00:43 |
jcleary wrote:
Words Of Wisdom: If There Ain't No PETER GABRIEL There Ain't NO GENESIS!!!!!!! |
Quite an arrogant statement. If it were not for Phil Collins and the later reincarnation of Genesis, I would not be appreciating now both Gabriel and Post-Gabriel Genesis. Peter Gabriel was not the only member of Genesis. 
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Posted: February 12 2006 at 01:16 |
transend wrote:
I don't undestand how people can trash this period of Genesis, I love ATTWT and Duke, both great, solid albums...
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Because there's something called taste, it's personal and unique in each of us.
Iván
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Posted: February 12 2006 at 01:20 |
valravennz wrote:
jcleary wrote:
Words Of Wisdom: If There Ain't No PETER GABRIEL There Ain't NO GENESIS!!!!!!! |
Quite an arrogant statement. If it were not for Phil Collins and the later reincarnation of Genesis, I would not be appreciating now both Gabriel and Post-Gabriel Genesis. Peter Gabriel was not the only member of Genesis. 
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Not arrogant, honest.
If it were not for Phil Collins and the later reincarnation of Genesis a lot of people who hates Genesis because they consider it a third class adult POP band would be listening early Gabriel music.
You can't imagine how many persons have asked me how can I listen that soft POP called Genesis and refuse to listen Gabriel era.
Iván
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Progger
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Posted: February 12 2006 at 03:25 |
GENESIS'S BEST TWO CAREER ALBUMS WERE MADE WITHOUT gABRIEL, IE, WIND AND WUTHERING AND TRICK OF THE TALE!
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Kid-A
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Posted: February 12 2006 at 07:29 |
Tony Banks is the genious behind Genesis, not Gabriel IMO, can you imagine Genesis with any other keyboard player?
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Posted: February 12 2006 at 08:02 |
I can't think 70-75 even without Rutherford, they all had their own special place for the band, which we now (all) praise?  We cannot change the past.
And if there were fe. Wakeman in the keys of Genesis back in 70's, the sound would be lot different.
Or Palmer in the drums? No way... And yes Peter Gabriel was the
"genius" of the band, there is no other option. The other guys 'just'
gave their own sound to the music, which made them great.
Genesis was a band in the end, not a one-man-band. Imagine Beatles without Ringo!
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