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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 03:47
So not being a musician makes me a prog wannabe? What a waste of 800 albums, eh?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 03:59
progressive music is for everyone with a functioning set of two ears and an equally functioning brain inbetween.
progressive rock and rural tranquility don't match. true or false?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 04:48
,, IS PROG FOR MUSICIANS ONLY?,,....of course not.
 
any musician (plays Prog or anything else, doesnt metter) is happy when can see/hear that (no musicians!)audience to clap, same as other musicians recognition as well. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 04:58
Originally posted by iguana iguana wrote:

progressive music is for everyone with a functioning set of two ears and an equally functioning brain inbetween.
 
I agree...
people with limited functioning brain don't understand prog and they have to concentrate on listening to it which is not easy for some, usually those people like to listen prog ballads of some sort(kayleigh or silent man etc)
 
although prog has influenced me to pick up a guitarStar
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 05:30
I learnt to play the piano and the guitar although I wouldn't really call myself a musician as I'm not very good at either.
 
It could be that you are mixing up cause and effect. Maybe people who like prog are more likely to be interested in learning to play a musical instrument whereas people who like mainstream music just want to sing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 05:31
John Peel who promoted the progressive scene for over a decade on both American and then for most of his career British radio,  in the late 70's became a born-again punk, before his untimely death repeatedly stated "Prog is bollocks, absolute bollocks. I felt I had ordinary level qualifications musically and with prog I needed advance levels". Something dubious about his first statement, but some truth in the second, in particular when the prog music/rock scene started in the UK. The experimental underground music tended to be played by more accomplished musicians building upon but going well beyond the rudiments of rock and roll, attempting to marry other musics with rock. The college and university student audiences were welcoming listeners, wanting something more intellectually challenging.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 05:36
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

I agree... off course you can like Prog if you're not a musician, but you'll miss one of its best elements: the musicianship, the possibility of analyzing structures, keys, harmonies, drum playing, etc, and get amazed (or dissapointed) by what you hear.
 
Non-musicians tend to like their music just for entertainment sake, just as something better than silence for moments like eating, working, etc...or they want music with a purpose, namely music that helps them dance..... they just won't sit down througha 20+minute epic.... what fun will it be to them? for them, short, 3-4 minute pieces are more than enough...surely they can love some aspects of prog, too, but they won't appreciate them in their whole magnitude as a musician can.
 
So I'll say 90% prog-lovers are musicians....I know others that aren't but at least they love art....they love literature, they love good cinema...THEY LOVE THEIR BRAIN TO BE CHALLENGED AND PLAYED WITH....
 
 
 
 
I am not a musician but I am all right with you. In fact in the last years (but also first with Jon & Vangelis) are you a lot of side project between musicians also very different sub genre alone and exclusively to confront itself between musicians head.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 05:53
Some people are natural musicians who can appreciate clever chord changes and complex rythyms without having to actually play an instrument.  There is quite a difference between having a musical brain and being a musician.  Musicians take their interest that step further and spend the time to actually learn the physical side of an instrument.  Not many have the manual dexterity to be Rick Wakeman but that doesn't mean that you can't appreciate his talent.
 
I've learnt the obligatory recorder in the past and also some piano.  I've owned and played a Hammond Organ in the past as well.  I wouldn't call myself a musician because I've never had the dedication to practice enough but I can read music and I can listen to a piece of music and know instantly if a note is the wrong pitch or length.  I get a lot of enjoyment from doing the PA mix for bands and I "play" the mixing desk.
 
Therefore if you "think" music you can certainly enjoy prog and probably find yourself drawn towards it.  EnjoyThumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 06:12
Originally posted by GHOSTNOTE GHOSTNOTE wrote:

      I am a drummer, who has loved progressive rock for many years and i have noticed
that myself and other musicians i haved jammed with over the years can relate with this
style of music, but people who do not play a musical instrument do not.
     So ultimitly is prog rock for musicians only?
 
no, this only means that you have a very limited social life. no offence.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 06:13
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BTW, I'm a prog musician myself(well...I believe in it) and I hate when somebody labels prog as "Music for Musicians only". Personally I dislike so-called "bombastic" or way too experimental bands.When I hear no melody at least for 5 minutes,only heartless virtuosity or head-blowing avantgarde, I usually turn this off
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 06:26
Well, of course not.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 06:35
this could have been a good debate about the difference between the people from the 70s and the people of today, their taste, their need for sub-level entertainment vs. highly intelectual & aesthetic entertainment, their need to discover and experiment vs. snugness; and also, a good debate over the motivations and goals of the 70s media and the media of these days.
 
and that's because the initial argument doesn't stand up. i saw the Yes Live at QPR concert in 1975 and, from my experience with footbal match watching, i think the audience had about 60-70,000 people. (and first i couldn't believe my eyes. i wasn't actually into prog at the time and i wondered what the hell was so special about that silly looking people on stage and their non-musical music). now, i can only guess that they were not all musicians... and that the rest were not people coming for some "light" musical entertainment. THOSE people were the hundread thousands going to Stones or Zeppelin concerts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 08:55
I played trombone in grammar school concert band.  But I wasn't very good.  Sometimes I try to figure out songs on my son's 22-key Casio.  I've got the 5 notes from "Close Encounters" down pat.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 08:56
Among the people I know, few prog fans are musicians, though most of them would like to be musicians, but they do not study to be a musician because it is frustrating when you start playing and compare your level with the level of the great musicians.

Just to mention, I'm a novice musician, learning to play the piano after I learned to play the guitar.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 09:21
Never played an instrument, can't sing, LOVE prog - go figure.
You should turn this into a poll.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 09:24
something more: most prog-fans are not musicians, but prog DOES encourage fans to take on learning to play musical instruments. i praise it for this.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 09:28
Some musicians don`t like prog   , just thought I better warn you Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 10:08
I've been listening to prog music for about 35 years now ... I gave up trying to play an instrument about 32 or 33 years ago because I was just no good at it Cry
 
My part in the progress and spread of prog: spinning plenty of prog songs - even complete albums - on Community Radio ... and always playing at least one epic of over 15 minutes every week, backed up by plenty in the 10 to 15 minute bracket played throughout the show Thumbs Up
 
If you are into prog - you must be coz you are on PA - find a community radio station near you and extend the hand of prog to the listeners in your area by spinning up a prog music storm Approve
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 10:40
No. Prog is not only for musicians, though it's certainly easier to appreciate it if one is a musician. The only 100 % Proghead friend I have is not a musician, while many of my musician friends aren't Progheads (though they appreciate most Prog).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 10:55
I do not believe that prog music is only for musicians. Music is a form of art to be appreciated by everyone.  You can enjoy a painting, a poem, or a film without understanding the construction or creation of it.  Although, a musician may understand more about the music it does not make the experience any better or more valid.
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