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Forgotten Son
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Posted: April 03 2007 at 00:21 |
Apparently Steve Rothery didn't know the names of many of the chords he used.
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Matt Dickens
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Posted: April 03 2007 at 01:34 |
i really dont know but i would almost bet that Emerson has a great knowledge of music theory.
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Syzygy
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Posted: April 03 2007 at 08:39 |
rileydog22 wrote:
Syzygy wrote:
Rick Wakeman never actually graduated from the Royal College of Music, and offhand I can think of only a few 70s proggers who had any real musical education. I seem to remember that Kerry Minnear of Gentle Giant was a music school graduate, as were Richard Harvey and Brian Gulland of Gryphon.
Remarkably, none of the core members of Henry Cow had much formal musical education, which didn't stop Fred Frith (BA and MA in English Literature from Cambridge) from becoming a professor of composition. The same applied to most of the RIO bands, although I think Gerard Hourbette of Art Zoyd may have graduated from a conservatory. |
Regarding Henry Cow, Chris Cutler rejects the use of musical notation (and so by extention much of music theory) as he believes it is responsible for the rift between composer and performer. After all, Cow was largely into improv, or "spontaneous composition," rather than note-for-note composition. This raises an interesting question: do they resist note-for-note replication due to a resistance to music notation, or do they resist music notation due to a resistance of note-for-note replication?
Even more suprisingly, one of the biggest reasons for the addition of Lindsay Cooper to the band was her rigorous classical training. |
That's a bit of an over simplification - Henry Cow included totally composed pieces, free improvisation and various points between. The Henry Cow book includes part of Tim Hodgkinson's score for Amygdala, and Fred Frith commented on working with musicians who couldn't read music when making Gravity and Speechless. Cutler doesn't reject notation completely, but he does question total dependence on the score.
Regarding Henry Cow:
Most things were through-composed by somebody: Fred Tim, Lindsay or John. However, once a composition had been given to the group it was effectively in the public domain; once we started to rehearse it, everybody had a say and could propose changes, criticise. It was a healthy process, I think. And we improvised a lot - so things discovered in improvisation found their way into compositions and things learned in the process of making compositions work found their way into improvisation. - Chris Cutler, 1999.
Among other post Henry Cow projects, Cutler collaborated with Stevan Tickmayer in Science Group, for which Tickmayer wrote very detailed compositions and Cutler the texts.
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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Frasse
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Posted: April 03 2007 at 10:24 |
Not in the archive (but a possible addition?) is Björn J:son Lindh who completed studies at Swedens Royal Academy of Music.
He's the one that springs to my mind when seeng this thread.
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Floydian42
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Posted: April 03 2007 at 11:22 |
I know Phil Collins aint the best of the best, but I once had read that he can't read a note.
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Evans
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Posted: April 03 2007 at 12:50 |
Someone said that about Paul McCartney too.
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'Let's give it another fifteen seconds..'
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progismylife
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Posted: April 03 2007 at 12:52 |
Non prog but Jimi Hendrix couldn't read music and didn't even know what notes he was playing. I've read stuff that he associated sound with colors like "lets play this in blue" or something like that.
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Floydoid
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Posted: April 03 2007 at 12:54 |
I know Francis Monkman was classically trained, but to what level I'm not sure.
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"Christ, where would rock & roll be without feedback?" - D. Gimour
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frippster
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Posted: April 03 2007 at 16:19 |
Kate Bush -prog related- has extensive education in the performing arts - music, dance, voice.. Igor Khoroshev is classically trained, it shows on The Ladder. Alan White can read music, he can play the piano- it was his first instrument. Trey Gunn has not only formal education in music - college degree, but is also a Guitar Craft graduate. Tony Levin can read music, he used to play the tuba in his high school band. Does anybody know about Tony Banks' musical education, or lack thereof? I'm curios
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Moogtron III
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Posted: April 03 2007 at 16:23 |
I read this week in an interview with Eric Woolfson (Alan Parsons Project) that he can't read a single note of music.
I believe that Ant Phillips (Genesis) couldn't read music when he was in Genesis, but later got a degree.
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Frasse
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Posted: April 03 2007 at 16:39 |
frippster wrote:
Does anybody know about Tony Banks' musical education, or lack thereof? I'm curios |
Genesis started when Banks, Gabriel, Phillips and Rutherford were still at Charterhouse school. Don't know the english school system but it's not college degree. (or higher)
They got themselves a classical music education there if I'm not wrong.
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stonebeard
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Posted: April 03 2007 at 16:41 |
Either Wojtek Szadkowski of Collage/Satellite is highly trained or is a genius.
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Negru Voda
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Posted: April 04 2007 at 05:10 |
It says here on PA that Christian Vander is a classically-trained drummer. So I suppose he knows how to read and write notes.
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R_DeNIRO
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Posted: April 04 2007 at 20:03 |
I Think Andrew Latimer had 5 years of lessons in classic guitar (not sure about it).
Edited by R_DeNIRO - April 04 2007 at 20:09
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The T
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Posted: April 04 2007 at 20:30 |
Ok... now a FAMOUS one...  (just kidding, It's me the ignorant one).
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BroSpence
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Posted: April 04 2007 at 20:35 |
Carlos Santana knows absolutely no theory. John McLaughlin taught him some 9th chords which Santana thought was cool, but doesn't really remember them or care to know anything about theory.
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Chus
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Posted: April 04 2007 at 20:43 |
Anna Holmgrem (Anglagard), is classically trained.
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rileydog22
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Posted: April 04 2007 at 21:23 |
Every session player is a kickass sight-reader. After all, recording time is expensive and nobody wants a session player who needs several takes to get a part down right.
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Sasquamo
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Posted: April 04 2007 at 22:02 |
Negru Voda wrote:
It says here on PA that Christian Vander is a classically-trained drummer. So I suppose he knows how to read and write notes.
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That doesn't surprise me at all. From watching videos on youtube I can see the his technique is very very good. Also, about Dream Theater, they didn't drop out because they were bad, but to start the band. Apparently it's not rare to use Berklee as more of a place to meet other serious musicians than to get a degree. And about Jordan Rudess, according to Wikipedia, he didn't actually go to Julliard for College, but actually went to Julliard's pre-college division at nine years old, so he was obviously very good. Anyway, it's pretty safe to say that pretty much all the members of any respectable jazz-rock-fusion band know their theory, and are well-trained on their instrument.
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Froth
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Posted: April 05 2007 at 12:23 |
to honest most graduates from american music schools who go into rock these days make extremely dull music. most of interesting 70's art rock groups were self taught. Not sure how much formal training dave stewart and mont campbell had. they seem to have an inexhaustible amount of musical knowledge
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