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slowfire85
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Joined: April 18 2006
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Posted: April 25 2007 at 09:21 |
AVC: Do you feel out of touch with your audience?
MJK: For the most part, I have no idea who those people are—especially when we're traveling through Europe. And it's not all our fault; it's a whole series of events. [You play] heavy music, and your record company, which has never owned an album anything like what you're doing, immediately markets you to the obvious stinky kid with the dreadlocks and the B.O. and the urine on his shoes because he's been sleeping in his own filth in a festival in the middle of the rain. They basically market right to that guy. And then you realize the only people showing up to your shows are those primates—these weird, cretin people… Then, let's say you're at a coffee shop, and you've got a friend sitting next to you, and you've been reading some Noam Chomsky, or you're reading The Onion, and you look over and see a bunch of kids [who] look like they could be made of cheese, because there are flies everywhere. And you go, "Hey, you want to go where they're going?" and everybody goes, "f**k no." And they're wearing Tool shirts. Why would you want to go there? Why would anybody other than those kids wanna go see Tool if that's our representative in that area? So it ends up being a no-win situation. Of course, that's a completely extreme example.
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What is prog rock ?
It is music that does progress. Progressive music takes a riff, turns it inside out, plays it upside down and the other way around, and explores its potential.
K.Emerson
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CaptainWafflos
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Joined: August 09 2005
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Points: 213
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Posted: April 25 2007 at 09:31 |
Negativity threads never really generate much positive discussion. People usually hold the music that they like dear to them, and while this web site is geared toward one specific "genre," the music tastes on this forums are incredibly diverse.
Music appreciation and enjoyment is a purely subjective thing, and saying that their music is soulless (or in the OP's case, saying that the music only resonates through the souls of drop-out high school students) comes off as a bit asshole-ish.
Also, the topic of this thread would imply that Tool is to be discussed, but in your post you seem to be interested in hearing more general views about bands that PA members hate...?
Just to avoid completely posting out-of-topic, I'm not really a fan of Dream Theater or ELP.
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MajesterX
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Posted: April 25 2007 at 09:47 |
heavyhery wrote:
no no no i dont like it either |
Thank you for your analysis then!
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MajesterX
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Posted: April 25 2007 at 09:53 |
lighthouse wrote:
but Tool don`t live in my soul they live on the shelves at K mart and are worn on T shirts by drop out high school students with pins through their noses.
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Well then thank you very much, as I am a high school student with all honors classes getting straight A's and I am quite happy wearing a tool t-shirt. You are SO open minded.  And are you suggesting that something that doesn't "Live in you soul" is not art? Sure, Tool is based off of poly-rhythms in common meters, but there is nothing that would stop me from considering them art.
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Rocktopus
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Joined: March 02 2006
Location: Norway
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Posted: April 25 2007 at 09:58 |
CaptainWafflos wrote:
Negativity threads never really generate much positive discussion.
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Of course not. But negative threads can often be more interesting than positive ones. There's a lot of people with a strong love for their preferred music. When you love something strongly, you often hate something else. People should stop taking other people's dislikes so personal.
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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febus
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam
Joined: January 23 2007
Location: Orlando-Usa
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Posted: April 25 2007 at 10:41 |
Is TOOL prog anyway???
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darkmatter
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Joined: November 23 2006
Location: New Jersey
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Points: 2760
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Posted: April 25 2007 at 10:44 |
Ghandi 2 wrote:
You can say that you don't like Tool...but I don't see the point of making a thread to do so. |
Yea, I'm not sure I see the point of making a thread about you dislike for a band.... I like Tool by the way.
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Prometheus
Forum Senior Member
Joined: November 11 2006
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Points: 151
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Posted: April 25 2007 at 12:26 |
yes, of course...you dont have to enjoy Tool's music. but what you also don't have to do is make a board like this. let's face it, everyone has their own tastes and approach to great music and so in the same way that you don't want to listen to people talk about loving Tool, others don't want to hear you talk about how much you dislike Tool.
furthermore, it is not a case of collective insanity or of collective enforcement of a stylistic norm, please dont make yourself to sound like some voice of reason...its too easy to do. and don't assign stereotypes, it, again, is far too easy to do.
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"Tell me why world, unfathomable and good,
The beauty of everything is infinite and cruel."
--Kayo Dot
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TheProgtologist
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Joined: May 23 2005
Location: Baltimore,Md US
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Posted: April 25 2007 at 12:59 |
CaptainWafflos wrote:
Negativity threads never really generate much positive discussion. People usually hold the music that they like dear to them, and while this web site is geared toward one specific "genre," the music tastes on this forums are incredibly diverse.
Music appreciation and enjoyment is a purely subjective thing, and saying that their music is soulless (or in the OP's case, saying that the music only resonates through the souls of drop-out high school students) comes off as a bit asshole-ish.
Also, the topic of this thread would imply that Tool is to be discussed, but in your post you seem to be interested in hearing more general views about bands that PA members hate...?
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I couldn't have said it better myself CW. 
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jmcdaniel_ee
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Joined: April 25 2007
Location: United States
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Points: 141
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Posted: April 25 2007 at 13:13 |
I really like some of Tool's music (esp EAnima). I also like heavy extreme metal like Opeth and Between the Buried and Me. But there is one thing I don't get: Everyone likes Lateralis--even people who don't like Tool. To me there seems to be no memorable moments on the album and is more like a collection of musical exercieses/etudes in complicated time signatures. Sometimes I feel like I must be crazy because my opinion isn't share by most. I guess in the end it comes down to taste--I know why I feel the way I do, but I don't know why others have a differing opinion--which I guess that's part of the beauty of human diversity.
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Heptade
Prog Reviewer
Joined: May 19 2005
Location: Canada
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Points: 427
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Posted: April 25 2007 at 13:18 |
I don't know much about Tool, but I have noticed that that Keenan dude seems to have a veeeery high opinion of himself.
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The world keeps spinning, people keep sinning
And all the rest is just bullsh*t
-Steve Kilbey
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Yontar
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Location: United States
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Points: 131
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Posted: April 25 2007 at 13:25 |
i think they are somewhat influential in the fact that they are keeping some musicianship alive in this very musically uneducated society because some mainstream music fans actually listen to them, but when it comes to songwriting i don't think they are all that great. Its kind of just spacey, very asian sounding, semi-heavy, semi-prog modern rock. I don't think they are great, I also don't think they are horrible, but i do think they are lame in the fact that they kind of always take the same route with every album. Dark, somewhat heavy, sortof conceptual albums. Meh they are alright.
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer
Joined: April 05 2006
Location: Tallahassee, FL
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Points: 34550
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Posted: April 25 2007 at 13:26 |
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Yontar
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Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 131
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Posted: April 25 2007 at 13:27 |
febus wrote:
Is TOOL prog anyway??? |
i would say probably not, they are just very rhythmic.
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el böthy
Prog Reviewer
Joined: April 27 2005
Location: Argentina
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Posted: April 25 2007 at 14:16 |
Its always the same... some newie says I dont like Tool and makes a thread about it... there must be like 20 of this
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"You want me to play what, Robert?"
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Selkie
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Joined: September 27 2006
Location: United States
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Posted: April 25 2007 at 14:19 |
If it gives you any comfort, I used to really like Tool a few years back. Nowadays I don't really enjoy the music much, my tastes have shifted - Adam's playing grates on my ears and tends to bore me. I won't deny that they made pretty good music, prog or not, and can see why others would enjoy them.
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slowfire85
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Joined: April 18 2006
Location: United States
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Posted: April 25 2007 at 14:34 |
Asian sounding? In what regard?
I don't remember ever hearing of Tool being referred to as prog until the Lateralus album. Maybe part of it was the fact that they toured with King Crimson, and the fact they stated that KC was a big influence on their music. Before that they were usually categorized as alternative metal with bands like Helmet, Rage Against the Machine and Soundgarden. I have always found that they sound better live than on cd, the sonic power of their music is much better heard and seen(with the video screens and all) than just heard on cd. Looking forward to seeing them live this summer.
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What is prog rock ?
It is music that does progress. Progressive music takes a riff, turns it inside out, plays it upside down and the other way around, and explores its potential.
K.Emerson
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Snow Dog
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Joined: March 23 2005
Location: Caerdydd
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Posted: April 25 2007 at 14:46 |
You can say it, but why do you have to proclaim it? Any other threads you need to start, or is Tool it?
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XTChuck
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Joined: September 21 2005
Location: United States
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Points: 407
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Posted: April 25 2007 at 14:50 |
el böthy wrote:
Its always the same... some newie says I dont like Tool and makes a thread about it... there must be like 20 of this |
Yeah, but that's ok. I'm NOT a newie and I don't like Tool
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thecool
Forum Newbie
Joined: November 27 2005
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Points: 21
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Posted: April 25 2007 at 15:07 |
Tool? what an awful band, honestly one of the worst bands in the history of music for me, its just so lame and fake
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