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Points: 824 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2007 at 16:18
Originally posted by warwick warwick wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

The Lamb, Piper, and Yessongs?  Thanks guys, it's nice to know I'm not alone  on this!!
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Regarding "Yessongs" I console myself on the fact that it's a live album and I already know all the songs from it. On the other hand, should it be so great as "Seconds Out" ...
 
I'll take Yessongs over Seconds Out any day of the week. You need to get it. Somehow.
 
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Points: 7991 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2007 at 16:23
I've heard one song of ITCOTCK. Embarrassed
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Points: 13033 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2007 at 17:54
I have never heard Trout Mask Replica

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Anglagard - Hybris
Museo Rosenbach - Zarathustra
Comus - First Utterance (only heard half of it...good stuff but I just haven't got around to buying the boxed set)
Zappa - The Grand Wazoo and Apostrophe
Mahavishnu Orchestra - Birds of Fire
Caravan - If I Could do it all....
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Points: 2601 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2007 at 18:10
Originally posted by warwick warwick wrote:

Originally posted by laplace laplace wrote:

never bothered with anything by Kansas. i assumed it'd suck because americans are really bad at prog rock lol


I'd say one or two songs on each of their "great" albums (with high rating on Progarchives) is a classic by the highest prog standards. I was also sceptical of the Americans, but "Magnum Opus" or "Song for America" are not worse than some classic GENESIS. Of course, in total KANSAS has just 4 or 5 such great songs, whereas GENESIS has 20 or 30 Wink
of course?  well that's based on your limited knowledgeWink
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Points: 65 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2007 at 18:48
Originally posted by jimmy_row jimmy_row wrote:

Originally posted by warwick warwick wrote:

Originally posted by laplace laplace wrote:

never bothered with anything by Kansas. i assumed it'd suck because americans are really bad at prog rock lol


I'd say one or two songs on each of their "great" albums (with high rating on Progarchives) is a classic by the highest prog standards. I was also sceptical of the Americans, but "Magnum Opus" or "Song for America" are not worse than some classic GENESIS. Of course, in total KANSAS has just 4 or 5 such great songs, whereas GENESIS has 20 or 30 Wink
of course?  well that's based on your limited knowledgeWink


Perhaps, my knowledge of KANSAS is limited (I know just three of their albums). I judged from the fact that these albums ("Song for America", "The Point of Know Return" and "Leftoverture") are their most respected and only some 30% of the material on them is pure, good quality prog. But if you're suggesting that KANSAS has significantly more great songs than 4 or 5 then

1) I'd appreciate if you told me on which albums they are
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2) If the number of high-quality prog songs produced by KANSAS is on the order of that produced by GENESIS (as you're suggesting), then why some 90% of people here would name GENESIS as one of their favourite bands, whereas for KANSAS it would be a success to find its place in top twenty for most people? Just mass ignorance? Or prejudice against the Americans?

Sorry, this is getting out of topic. I'll try to resist from temptation to continue this interesting discussion on KANSAS. Wink
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Points: 2601 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2007 at 19:21
Originally posted by warwick warwick wrote:

Originally posted by jimmy_row jimmy_row wrote:

Originally posted by warwick warwick wrote:

Originally posted by laplace laplace wrote:

never bothered with anything by Kansas. i assumed it'd suck because americans are really bad at prog rock lol


I'd say one or two songs on each of their "great" albums (with high rating on Progarchives) is a classic by the highest prog standards. I was also sceptical of the Americans, but "Magnum Opus" or "Song for America" are not worse than some classic GENESIS. Of course, in total KANSAS has just 4 or 5 such great songs, whereas GENESIS has 20 or 30 Wink
of course?  well that's based on your limited knowledgeWink


Perhaps, my knowledge of KANSAS is limited (I know just three of their albums). I judged from the fact that these albums ("Song for America", "The Point of Know Return" and "Leftoverture") are their most respected and only some 30% of the material on them is pure, good quality prog. But if you're suggesting that KANSAS has significantly more great songs than 4 or 5 then

1) I'd appreciate if you told me on which albums they are
and
2) If the number of high-quality prog songs produced by KANSAS is on the order of that produced by GENESIS (as you're suggesting), then why some 90% of people here would name GENESIS as one of their favourite bands, whereas for KANSAS it would be a success to find its place in top twenty for most people? Just mass ignorance? Or prejudice against the Americans?

Sorry, this is getting out of topic. I'll try to resist from temptation to continue this interesting discussion on KANSAS. Wink
This is not the place to discuss this (I know, my fault...sorry) but I'll point out that you left it unclear whether you meant that Kansas only has several good songs in general (as opposed to prog rock songs).
 
But anyway, here is some Grade A progressive rock from Kansas...every bit as good as the bands generally regarded as the best:
 
Kansas (debut album, 1974)
Belexes
Journey from Mariabronn
Apercu
Death of Mother Nature Suite
 
Song for America (1975)
title track
Lamplight Symphony
Lonely Street
Incomundro
 
Masque (1975)
Icarus - Borne on Wings of Steel
All the World
Mysteries and Mayhem
The Pinnacle
 
Leftoverture (1976)
Miracles Out of Nowhere
Cheyenne Anthem
Magnum Opus
 
Point of Know Return (1977)
Closet Chronicles
Hopelessly Human
 
Two For the Show (1978)
this is a live album and contains many of the tracks I listed above: an excellent showcase for Kansas as one of the great live bands
 
Monolith (1979)
A Glimpse of Home
 
Somewhere to Elsewhere (2000)
Icarus II
Myriad
Distant Vision
 
Check out this video...a great representation of Kansas' symphonic side: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCYIiHAhIdo
 


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^^^btw, PM me if you have anything else to say...I hate to hijack this good topic.
 
 
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2007 at 19:52
There is a lot of RPI I have yet to hear
What?
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Points: 1043 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2007 at 19:57
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

I've heard most of the 'classics' from the Seventies, so I suppose I'll have to go for Änglagård's "Hybris", which is out of print and therefore almost impossible to get. I'd love to hear it one day or the other, though.
You might try with Hans from Progwalhalla, he found it for me a year ago for a fair price, still he mentioned that it was hard work finding it so no guarantees.

Looking at the current top 50 the first i haven't heard is Live scenes from DT  (i have the studio album SFAM though). Next is Godbluff from VDGG, Pawn hearts is enough for the moment.
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Points: 8844 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2007 at 00:58
Pretty much anything Micky and Raff heartily endorse (read: Italian Sympho); I've tried a few RPI/ISP/whatever albums and I just don't get anything out of it. 

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Points: 4088 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2007 at 16:55
Never heard Trilogy by E.L.P. (runs for cover!!!)
 
Tarkus was enough for me.  In fact, I think it's the only E.L.P album I have heard.


Edited by Melomaniac - August 10 2007 at 16:57
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Points: 4088 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2007 at 16:56
Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Wow, Foxtrot is my favorite album ever.

I've never heard Hamburger Concerto and Per Un Amico.
 
Neither have I !!!
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Points: 4309 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2007 at 19:28
Looking to the top classics, I've never heard Close To The EdgeEmbarrassed, anything by King Crimson and Gentle Giant, and any Rock Progressivo Italiano, along with many "classics" I'm missing.
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Points: 540 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2007 at 19:29
i have every album in the top 100 if thoose are what are called classics.

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Points: 184 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2007 at 19:37
Tarkus by ELP
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Points: 7991 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2007 at 19:41
Originally posted by Barla Barla wrote:

Looking to the top classics, I've never heard Close To The EdgeEmbarrassed, anything by King Crimson and Gentle Giant, and any Rock Progressivo Italiano, along with many "classics" I'm missing.
 
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I think that The T, as PA's unofficial spiritual leader, has some work to do!
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Points: 4309 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2007 at 20:21
Originally posted by Chameleon Chameleon wrote:

Originally posted by Barla Barla wrote:

Looking to the top classics, I've never heard Close To The EdgeEmbarrassed, anything by King Crimson and Gentle Giant, and any Rock Progressivo Italiano, along with many "classics" I'm missing.
 
Shocked
 
I think that The T, as PA's unofficial spiritual leader, has some work to do!


LOL Yeah, he has some work to do. I have yet to hear a lot of CDs! Now I'm tempted to go back to the unprog Hard Rock way once again! Wink
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Points: 1319 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2007 at 17:27
I'll say S.B.B. because it's #11 on this site, but that's it, really
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Points: 3004 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2007 at 17:34
It used to be Red, but now i have it on cd, so.. well, most italians, Dream Theater, Octopus, are the most classic i have never heard. Of course, i have heard all three, but not a whole album.

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