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Points: 66787 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2007 at 14:08
Nice response Bob!!!  It is nice to have further insight into the thinking behind PR.  I think that it fits pretty well within my line of thinking, for whatever that is worth.
 
The London Symphony Orchestra have some pretty good prog cover albums.  Or is it the London Philharmonic Orchestra?  Wouldn't have thought of them as a prog or prog-related artist though?  
 
 
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Points: 2755 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2007 at 14:13
Originally posted by cynthiasmallet cynthiasmallet wrote:

it's a pretty bizarre and vague genre to be honest. I mean surely the likes of Bach and Beethoven are prog related?
 
Surely not.   They are clearly proto-prog.  Tongue
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Points: 2755 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2007 at 14:17
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:


First of all, it is NOT a genre, because the bands or artists included in PR don't all share the same basic musical features as, for instance, the bands in Jazz/Rock or Symphonic. As Bob said, being related to prog can mean many things - which I suppose you could call being 'vague'.
 
Since prog-related bands are not prog per se, surely it should be expected that they would be classified under a multitude of other genres and are only here because of the relationship thatt they have with prog even though being a part of other genres.
 
An argument was brought up that Boston should be excluded because they are AOR.  Yet every prog-related band in theory belongs to a different genre than prog.
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2007 at 14:33
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Nice response Bob!!!  It is nice to have further insight into the thinking behind PR.  I think that it fits pretty well within my line of thinking, for whatever that is worth.
 
The London Symphony Orchestra have some pretty good prog cover albums.  Or is it the London Philharmonic Orchestra?  Wouldn't have thought of them as a prog or prog-related artist though?  
 
 
The rightful place for them would be (and is) Various Artists: Tributes (http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2635) where both the RPO and the LPO already have a some entries.
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Points: 10739 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2007 at 14:38
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

No problem EM,


Before a band can be added to Prog related, permission must be given by the Admin Team. We are not a genre team as such our function in monitoring such additions is to manage this always controversial part of the site.

 

Only Special Collaborators can actually add bands, so if a member wanted to add a band to prog related, they would need to get the support of an SC or an Admin. This is usually quite easy to secure, just make your wish known in the appropriate forum thread.







Thanks, that makes things a lot clearer, one more question. What is the appropriate forum thread?
I am familiar with the thread that asks for mp3s, but I am not able to do that yet.
What if it is an artist that might be more in the realm of common knowledge such as Tony William's Lifetime.
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Originally posted by darqdean darqdean wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Nice response Bob!!!  It is nice to have further insight into the thinking behind PR.  I think that it fits pretty well within my line of thinking, for whatever that is worth.
 
The London Symphony Orchestra have some pretty good prog cover albums.  Or is it the London Philharmonic Orchestra?  Wouldn't have thought of them as a prog or prog-related artist though?  
 
 
The rightful place for them would be (and is) Various Artists: Tributes (http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2635) where both the RPO and the LPO already have a some entries.
 
That is true and I agree.  I forgot that I had seen albums under Tributes pertaining to these orchestras. 
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Tony William's Lifetime have already been added, btw...Smile

You can post your suggestions in the Suggest New Bands section, and hope that some SC takes notice. However, the best thing would be to contact the SC you would like to endorse your suggestion (especially if he/she has already shown interest in the dedicated thread), and ask them if they  would be willing to add the band after they've been approved by the Admin team.
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Points: 46843 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2007 at 14:45
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

Tony William's Lifetime have already been added, btw...Smile

You can post your suggestions in the Suggest New Bands section, and hope that some SC takes notice. However, the best thing would be to contact the SC you would like to endorse your suggestion (especially if he/she has already shown interest in the dedicated thread), and ask them if they  would be willing to add the band after they've been approved by the Admin team.


yes...I added them AngryLOL

here... is where you need to go EM

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=1
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Points: 1264 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2007 at 14:57
That thing of prog-related looks, more than a genre, a key to get popularity. The problem is that they get this wrong..... At least I don't consider the negative connotation in popularity.

It's not a genre..... simply because PR, as it's been said, doesn't share the same parameters of any other prog sub-genre...... But the other problem is that people use to put us to analize prog-related from the entirely prog field..... and as the term says, let's focus (at least on this thread) in Prog Related, not in prog, because, as on any prog genre, there'll be an endless discussion of what is prog or what's not......

Prog related is already added and they won't take it off...... so, the only thing to debate IMO is how does it work as a "strategy" (as Bob said) to get them hooked to prog.

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Indeed, what Raf (Ghost Rider) said EM.
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Points: 10739 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2007 at 15:08
Thanks for everone's input. I'm going to try one more before I go to work. How about Steve Hillage's System 777? It might seem like generic rave music at first, but it is much more than that.
OK just one more, Andy MacKay from Roxy Music ?
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Points: 31169 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2007 at 15:18
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

All solo artists who are members of prog bands are prog related (except Phil Collins!).


I'm surprised by this statement, because I used to think the same thing.  I once proposed adding the debut EP of singer/songwriter Laura Meade, who is a member of the American progressive band IZZ.  Alan (chopper) informed me that I had misconstrued the meaning of prog-related, and that the artist couldn't be added simply because she was a member of IZZ.


So Bob....not sure if you missed this, but I wondered if I could get clarification on this issue.
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EM, why don't you start a thread about Andy McKay, and see the responses? If you have links to any LEGAL samples of his music (MySpace, website, etc.), they would be greatly appreciated, because we can't place a band or artist without getting an idea of his music.

As to Steve Hillage's System 777, I am quite sure they have been suggested quite recently... Try the Search option, or just be patient and look through the Suggest section.
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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2007 at 15:37
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

All solo artists who are members of prog bands are prog related (except Phil Collins!).


I'm surprised by this statement, because I used to think the same thing.  I once proposed adding the debut EP of singer/songwriter Laura Meade, who is a member of the American progressive band IZZ.  Alan (chopper) informed me that I had misconstrued the meaning of prog-related, and that the artist couldn't be added simply because she was a member of IZZ.


So Bob....not sure if you missed this, but I wondered if I could get clarification on this issue.
 
Hi NS,
 
What I said about solo members of prog bands is a site policy agreed with M@x. We tend to joke about Phil Collins, but he is the only such artists we have specifically chosen to exclude up until now.
 
Some such people will fit into prog genres in their own right of course, but otherwise they are prog related. The same approval process is required via the Admin team of course.
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Points: 7559 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2007 at 16:09
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

Originally posted by cynthiasmallet cynthiasmallet wrote:

it's a pretty bizarre and vague genre to be honest. I mean surely the likes of Bach and Beethoven are prog related?


First of all, it is NOT a genre, because the bands or artists included in PR don't all share the same basic musical features as, for instance, the bands in Jazz/Rock or Symphonic. As Bob said, being related to prog can mean many things - which I suppose you could call being 'vague'.

As to Bach and Beethoven, I suppose you could say they are, because they've influenced the development of prog, just like Ravel, Stravinsky, Miles Davis and a lot of other musicians.
 
The fundamental difference with the classical composers is that they are not performers. The way the site is set up, it is based on performers, not composers. We would not for example add Lennon/McCartney, but we do have The Beatles.
 
 
Actually, Bob, that's not true - ALL Classical composers were superlative performers - Mozart, notably, impressed the King of England with his playing aged only 10 years, Beethoven would improvise for fun at parties, simply because he was the best, and Bach spent most of his non-writing hours improvising.
 
There also exist some rather wonderful recordings of Joplin and Brahms playing their own works.
 
er... now I read your post again, you do say "They are not performers...", rather than were... Tongue


Edited by Certif1ed - November 14 2007 at 16:11
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Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

All solo artists who are members of prog bands are prog related (except Phil Collins!).


I'm surprised by this statement, because I used to think the same thing.  I once proposed adding the debut EP of singer/songwriter Laura Meade, who is a member of the American progressive band IZZ.  Alan (chopper) informed me that I had misconstrued the meaning of prog-related, and that the artist couldn't be added simply because she was a member of IZZ.


So Bob....not sure if you missed this, but I wondered if I could get clarification on this issue.
 
Hi NS,
 
What I said about solo members of prog bands is a site policy agreed with M@x. We tend to joke about Phil Collins, but he is the only such artists we have specifically chosen to exclude up until now.
 
Some such people will fit into prog genres in their own right of course, but otherwise they are prog related. The same approval process is required via the Admin team of course.


OK Bob, thank you for shedding some much needed light on these issues.


Edited by NaturalScience - November 14 2007 at 16:21
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