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darkshade
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Posted: November 28 2007 at 13:12 |
i went with jazz, but i, too, love classical
btw this topic could get ugly...
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darkshade
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Posted: November 28 2007 at 13:19 |
someone put a classical sub genre list. so ill type out a jazz one
bebop
cool jazz
swing
avant-garde jazz
free jazz
hard bop
traditional
jazz-fusion
jazz-funk
rock-jazz
dixieland
latin jazz
modal jazz
acid jazz
smooth jazz (as much as i hate to include it in such a list)
jazz blues
gypsy jazz
bossa nova
calypso jazz
and so on and so on.........
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Mellotron Storm
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Posted: November 28 2007 at 14:58 |
I much prefer jazz influenced music like early MAGMA and ZAO to the classical flavour.
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sean
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Posted: November 28 2007 at 16:33 |
I like both, but i have to go with classical. my favourite is the romantic era, although i do really admire the freedom jazz can offer. however, much of classical music revolved around improv, and composers like beethoven and bach were both renowned for their improvisational skills. i feel that it is mainly classical purists nowadays that put the restraints on what defines classical.
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yesman1972
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Posted: November 28 2007 at 16:42 |
Love em both but classical music is the highest form of human expression.
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Shakespeare
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Posted: November 28 2007 at 16:45 |
sinkadotentree wrote:
I much prefer jazz influenced music like early MAGMA |
Yes but after the first 2 albums, the jazz left almost entirely. It was only at Udu Wudu and Attahk that traces of it returned. MDK, Wurdah Itah, Khontarkosz, and K.A (to a lesser degree) were all EXTREMELY influeced by 20th Century classical music.
Edited by Shakespeare - November 28 2007 at 16:47
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MajesterX
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Posted: November 28 2007 at 17:23 |
Classical and Jazz were both two of my first loves in music, and currently I'm mainly a classical musician but I still venture into jazz occasionally and would like to play more of it. That being said, I voted classical. I prefer mainly modern, 20th century and romantic classical. The energy of many pieces that involve several hundred people playing is difficult to match with 3-10 jazz musicians, and I prefer the concrete sense of direction and concept that classical music displays for the listener. I still like jazz very much, but Coltrane and Davis haven't impacted me as much as Shostakovitch and Vaughan Williams have.
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bigmark35
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Posted: November 28 2007 at 17:27 |
i love them both, but I have to say classical.
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King Crimson776
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Posted: November 28 2007 at 17:31 |
Shakespeare wrote:
First of all, this is not a prog poll.
King Crimson776 wrote:
I think that there are some classical pieces that beat any jazz, but overall jazz is better (like a random jazz song is better than a random classical piece more often) | What is that supposed to mean? If you picked a classical song out of a hat, it would be worse than any jazz song you picked out of a hat more often? How can you follow that as a rule? And that is 100% subjective. | Jazz and Classical are related to prog, and Prog Related is a bonified sub-genre on this website, so the poll is fine here, get the stick outta yer ass. And that a random jazz piece is usually better than a classical piece is my opinion, I don't mean it as something that should be understood, I was just clarifying that I think jazz is better overall. Don't be so literal, aight?
Edited by King Crimson776 - November 28 2007 at 19:39
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King Crimson776
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Posted: November 28 2007 at 17:36 |
yesman1972 wrote:
Love em both but classical music is the highest form of human expression.
| "Classical music is a dead fish" - Brian Eno "Jazz isn't dead, it just smells funny" - Frank Zappa
Edited by King Crimson776 - November 28 2007 at 17:52
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ebag7125
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Posted: November 28 2007 at 19:13 |
i love classical and have a hard time getting into jazz. There's some jazz i like, but classical wins out by a lot for me. Brucker's Symphony 8 is better than any prog epic i've heard
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MusicForSpeedin
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Posted: November 28 2007 at 19:24 |
yesman1972 wrote:
Love em both but classical music is the highest form of human expression. |
I think improvisation is the highest form of human expression. I don't think you can reach a very high level of human expression by reading a sheet of paper.
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Shakespeare
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Posted: November 28 2007 at 19:26 |
That's subjective.
The melody could be out of this world, and incredibly expressive.
And the improv. might sound silly and disjointed.
Ya never know...
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MusicForSpeedin
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Posted: November 28 2007 at 19:35 |
tis true
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crimhead
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Posted: November 28 2007 at 22:04 |
Flip a coin on this one. I like both. Both have their good and bad.
Classical - Beethoven,Bach,Brahms,Mozart.
Jazz - Miles,Coltrane,Mingus.....
Good question.
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Zwerg Bart
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Posted: November 28 2007 at 23:24 |
I vote jazz.
Both are enjoyable, but I find I really need to be in a certain mood for classical while I can enjoy jazz almost anytime... but that's just me...
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"Freud's cranium is a snail!" - Dali
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maups2
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Posted: November 29 2007 at 01:19 |
Can't decide. Voted jazz to even things out.
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oddentity
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Posted: November 29 2007 at 01:42 |
MajesterX wrote:
Classical and Jazz were both two of my first loves in music, and currently I'm mainly a classical musician but I still venture into jazz occasionally and would like to play more of it. That being said, I voted classical. I prefer mainly modern, 20th century and romantic classical. The energy of many pieces that involve several hundred people playing is difficult to match with 3-10 jazz musicians, and I prefer the concrete sense of direction and concept that classical music displays for the listener. I still like jazz very much, but Coltrane and Davis haven't impacted me as much as Shostakovitch and Vaughan Williams have.
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Can I ask - what instrument do you play, and what prog do you like? I'm asking because I am curious how and why a classical musician likes prog. I'm not saying that they shouldn't - I happen to think that prog is just as valid a musical form as classical or jazz - but the impression one gets is that classical musicians are too snobbish to enjoy a popular music form like prog.
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asimplemistake
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Posted: November 29 2007 at 01:49 |
I went with classical mainly for Minimalism, but I really enjoy most all modern forms of classical music, and in reality I can enjoy most any kind of classical music (except Opera...). I also can enjoy jazz a lot. I can listen to either but I do listen to classical (mostly minimalism) a lot more than jazz.
wes montgomery is great though...but so is steve reich...
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Yorkie X
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Posted: November 29 2007 at 03:30 |
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