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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2007 at 18:24
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

I think that you have to remember that many of the ratings without reviews may have been done by non-English speaking members of the site who aren't comfortable enough with their English skills to write reviews in English.  It wouldn't be fair to exclude their reviews because they don't have written reviews.



let's not get off on a tangent here...  this is only a tweek... and we have not forgot that M@X strongly support ratings without reviews...

however..

they still can rate them...  they just won't affect the album's placement.  Nothing unfair about that.  If it is seriously considered.. it will probably get a thread here to discuss.  Just playing with things right now... all of this is unofficial.  Call it mental masturbation.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2007 at 18:32
Originally posted by 1800iareyay 1800iareyay wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:


I think that is a nice middle course....  for those who want ratings without  review here... and those that want them eliminated for integreties sake .. for the sake of the lists.  Everyone can RATE the albums . but only those that  REVIEW the ablums shall affect the rating. 

that again.. is probably for closed door dicussion.. and not this thread.  But I'd like to see.. and have all see.. just what that does to the lists.

What can I say, I'm a Middle Path. I like the effect it had on Matt's list. His algorithm might solve a lot of complaining on the site.


that's why it's wroth a looksie...  one part of rating without reviews i don't like is the manipulation.  And I do suspect that much of the bitchin would not be from those who do not speak English... hell..I suspect they won't say much.. the people that bitch will generally BE the ones who use it to f**k around with albums.. to drop albums they don't like.. and raise those they do.  Not for the purpose of the site.. to spotlight great albums.. but simply as a game.  My two cents.. and back on topic.. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2007 at 18:37
I can easily work it out so that only the rating with reviews affect the Top 100 equation and the overall rating uses all the ratings. What do you think of this?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2007 at 18:38
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

My two cents.. and back on topic.. 

I'll only keep you off topic a moment longer. I took the idea to the CZ so the admins can mull it over. You're right in that it's a closed door discussion.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2007 at 18:44
Originally posted by Fight Club Fight Club wrote:

I can easily work it out so that only the rating with reviews affect the Top 100 equation and the overall rating uses all the ratings. What do you think of this?


interesting....  that might be the best option of all.. again.. all sides would be satisfied.  The rattngs without reviews 'count' toward the album... for leisure and digging up albums to check out...   but the lists are seperate of them in a way.... which if you remember. Was the purpose of the 'radical' proposal I made in a way in Bob's thread.   A fair compromise in my eyes.. though I was the only one who liked my original idea hahahha. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2007 at 18:46
Matt... come up with some lists on those models there.. and  get everyone's opinion.  I think everyone would be curious to see how they affect the big list. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2007 at 18:59
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Matt... come up with some lists on those models there.. and  get everyone's opinion.  I think everyone would be curious to see how they affect the big list. 




Alright so what exactly do you want to see, how the top 100 would look if only ratings with reviews affected it? I'll work it out on 50 or so super-popular albums. I can't do this for much longer tonight though, I've held off studying for my Statistics final exam tomorrow for far too long because of this LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2007 at 19:06
Originally posted by Fight Club Fight Club wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Matt... come up with some lists on those models there.. and  get everyone's opinion.  I think everyone would be curious to see how they affect the big list. 




Alright so what exactly do you want to see, how the top 100 would look if only ratings with reviews affected it? I'll work it out on 50 or so super-popular albums. I can't do this for much longer tonight though, I've held off studying for my Statistics final exam tomorrow for far too long because of this LOL


hahahhaha... christ almighty...  take your time...  whenever you have the time... and let's just look at the top 50....  Dean has a point.. .if they really don't affect the list. .there is no sense removing the ratings without reviews from the equation so to speak LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2007 at 19:08
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Fight Club Fight Club wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Matt... come up with some lists on those models there.. and  get everyone's opinion.  I think everyone would be curious to see how they affect the big list. 




Alright so what exactly do you want to see, how the top 100 would look if only ratings with reviews affected it? I'll work it out on 50 or so super-popular albums. I can't do this for much longer tonight though, I've held off studying for my Statistics final exam tomorrow for far too long because of this LOL


hahahhaha... christ almighty...  take your time...  whenever you have the time... and let's just look at the top 50....  Dean has a point.. .if they really don't affect the list. .there is no sense removing the ratings without reviews from the equation so to speak LOL


That's what I'm checking out. So far it doesn't look like it's changing much Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2007 at 19:11
Originally posted by Fight Club Fight Club wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Fight Club Fight Club wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Matt... come up with some lists on those models there.. and  get everyone's opinion.  I think everyone would be curious to see how they affect the big list. 




Alright so what exactly do you want to see, how the top 100 would look if only ratings with reviews affected it? I'll work it out on 50 or so super-popular albums. I can't do this for much longer tonight though, I've held off studying for my Statistics final exam tomorrow for far too long because of this LOL


hahahhaha... christ almighty...  take your time...  whenever you have the time... and let's just look at the top 50....  Dean has a point.. .if they really don't affect the list. .there is no sense removing the ratings without reviews from the equation so to speak LOL


That's what I'm checking out. So far it doesn't look like it's changing much Tongue


ahhh... if not.. we can kill that part... just for politics sake and let all reviews.. written or not ..count. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2007 at 19:18
Wow, during all this I actually found 1 person who had the balls to write a 1 star review of Close to the Edge! LOL

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Well, here is is folks- the MOST OVERATED ALBUM ON THIS SITE. Easy..no doubt about it.

The "epic" close to the edge- starts as a headache- the 1st 3 minutes sound like a truck

filled with musical instruments colliding with a wall- its horrible- not untill the femanistic

vocals come in does the song take a slight change for the better. Yes- he sounds like a

woman. The lyrics are not as 'deep' as everyone says- instead, they are rather basic- most

liekly sophistcated to an 8th grader. Dont try to analyze "Seasons Change..I get up..I get

Down" ust meaningless lyrics. The rest of the album is DULL- nothing great here at all- but

a headache, and an oveerated pile of trash. <br><br>BLAH!!!"


He could at least spell correctly before posting such a negative review of something most people consider to be a masterpiece LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2007 at 19:22
Originally posted by Fight Club Fight Club wrote:

Wow, during all this I actually found 1 person who had the balls to write a 1 star review of Close to the Edge! LOL

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Well, here is is folks- the MOST OVERATED ALBUM ON THIS SITE. Easy..no doubt about it.

The "epic" close to the edge- starts as a headache- the 1st 3 minutes sound like a truck

filled with musical instruments colliding with a wall- its horrible- not untill the femanistic

vocals come in does the song take a slight change for the better. Yes- he sounds like a

woman. The lyrics are not as 'deep' as everyone says- instead, they are rather basic- most

liekly sophistcated to an 8th grader. Dont try to analyze "Seasons Change..I get up..I get

Down" ust meaningless lyrics. The rest of the album is DULL- nothing great here at all- but

a headache, and an oveerated pile of trash. <br><br>BLAH!!!"


He could at least spell correctly before posting such a negative review of something most people consider to be a masterpiece LOL


hahhahah... I've read that one before...  sort of stood out...

and just what is femanistic anyway...LOL

sort of surprised that review hasn't been axed...  having a contrary opinion is one thing... but that was not a review... but a cry out for help from some abused and tortured soul hahahhahah
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2007 at 19:40
Well, from the looks of it, removing non-review ratings doesn't seem to be having much of an effect on the Top 100. The most it seems to be changing any album's rating is by .05. Thick as a Brick had a .02 change, Wish You Were Here - .01, Close to the Edge - 0, Foxtrot - .05, Crime of the Century - .02, Si On Avait... - .01, Quadrophenia - .02.

That's not really a noticeable difference if you ask me. Should I still keep continuing?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2007 at 20:41
Well, I worked out the ratings of a few more albums, and just made a slightly larger top 100 list than I had before. Remember: this doesn't include everything, only the albums I worked out ratings for. Albums with the same rating I sorted alphabetically

1.   4.55 - Selling England By the Pound
2.   4.53 - Thick as a Brick
3.   4.53 - Wish You Were Here
4.   4.52 - Foxtrot
5.   4.51 - Dark Side of the Moon
6.   4.50 - Close to the Edge
7.   4.46 - In the Court of the Crimson King
8.   4.36 - Animals
9.   4.35 - Fragile
10. 4.35 - Moving Pictures
11. 4.35 - Red
12. 4.33 - Nursery Cryme
13. 4.33 - Pawn Hearts
14. 4.31 - Godbluff
15. 4.31 - The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
16. 4.30 - In a Glass House
17. 4.30 - Hamburger Concerto
18. 4.29 - Hemispheres
19. 4.28 - Octopus
20. 4.28 - Relayer
21. 4.28 - Si on Avait...
22. 4.27 - Crime of the Century
23. 4.27 - Larks' Tongues in Aspic
24. 4.27 - The Snow Goose
25. 4.26 - In the Land of Grey and Pink
26. 4.26 - Moonmadness
27. 4.26 - Per Un Amico
28. 4.26 - Second Life Syndrome
29. 4.25 - Depois de Fim
30. 4.25 - Script for a Jester's Tear
31. 4.23 - A Farewell to Kings
32. 4.22 - Hybris
33. 4.22 - Mirage
34. 4.22 - Misplaced Childhood
35. 4.21 - Free Hand
36. 4.21 - Hot Rats
37. 4.21 - The Human Equation
38. 4.20 - A Trick of the Tail
39. 4.20 - Birds of Fire
40. 4.20 - Images & Words
41. 4.20 - Storia...
42. 4.19 - Metropolis Pt 2: Scenes from a Memory
43. 4.18 - Lateralus
44. 4.17 - Aqualung
45. 4.17 - Permanent Waves
46. 4.16 - Still Life
47. 4.16 - The Yes Album
48. 4.15 - In Absentia
49. 4.14 - Elegant Gypsy
50. 4.13 - Darwin!
51. 4.13 - Io Sono...
52. 4.13 - Scheherazade
53. 4.11 - Emerson Lake & Palmer
54. 4.10 - Quadrophenia
55. 4.09 - Trespass
56. 4.08 - Brain Salad Surgery
57. 4.08 - Leftoverture
58. 4.06 - Ocean
59. 4.06 - Uomo Di...
60. 4.05 - If I could Do It All Over...
61. 4.04 - 2112

Don't forget there's still probably a lot of albums that would go into this. I just don't have the time to work out the formula on all of them.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2007 at 20:47
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2007 at 20:50
Originally posted by schizoid_man77 schizoid_man77 wrote:

Math, hurt me!


Disapprove

Skip the equations then, just look at the results! Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2007 at 22:21
yeah.. .that didn't change things much....  so  if we drop that little tweek.. and just leave all the reviews in there.. I think we have a winner.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2007 at 22:24
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

yeah.. .that didn't change things much....  so  if we drop that little tweek.. and just leave all the reviews in there.. I think we have a winner.


Alright, so what's next to do? Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2007 at 22:28
Originally posted by Fight Club Fight Club wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

yeah.. .that didn't change things much....  so  if we drop that little tweek.. and just leave all the reviews in there.. I think we have a winner.


Alright, so what's next to do? Tongue


hahhhah. .sell it  brother... sell itLOL  I'd do a summary post in your collab area thread. Telling in general terms.. remember Bob's reaction.. we dont' want to make a drunk out of him hahhahah  State  how it is an improvement over the one we have already.  Once you do,  we'll get the site superluminaries to drop in from the penthouse of prog.... and take a look at it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2007 at 22:31
Originally posted by Fight Club Fight Club wrote:

Wow, during all this I actually found 1 person who had the balls to write a 1 star review of Close to the Edge! LOL

"

Well, here is is folks- the MOST OVERATED ALBUM ON THIS SITE. Easy..no doubt about it.

The "epic" close to the edge- starts as a headache- the 1st 3 minutes sound like a truck

filled with musical instruments colliding with a wall- its horrible- not untill the femanistic

vocals come in does the song take a slight change for the better. Yes- he sounds like a

woman. The lyrics are not as 'deep' as everyone says- instead, they are rather basic- most

liekly sophistcated to an 8th grader. Dont try to analyze "Seasons Change..I get up..I get

Down" ust meaningless lyrics. The rest of the album is DULL- nothing great here at all- but

a headache, and an oveerated pile of trash. <br><br>BLAH!!!"


He could at least spell correctly before posting such a negative review of something most people consider to be a masterpiece LOL


I actually haven't listened to Close To The Edge

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