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micky 
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 Posted: December 18 2007 at 18:24 |
 rushfan4 wrote:
I think that you have to remember that many of the
ratings without reviews may have been done by non-English speaking
members of the site who aren't comfortable enough with their English
skills to write reviews in English. It wouldn't be fair to
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let's not get off on a tangent here... this is only a tweek...
and we have not forgot that M@X strongly support ratings without
reviews...
however..
they still can rate them... they just won't affect the album's
placement. Nothing unfair about that. If it is seriously
considered.. it will probably get a thread here to discuss. Just
playing with things right now... all of this is unofficial. Call
it mental masturbation.
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micky
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Posted: December 18 2007 at 18:32 |
1800iareyay wrote:
micky wrote:
I think that is a nice middle course.... for those who want
ratings without review here... and those that want them
eliminated for integreties sake .. for the sake of the lists. Everyone
can RATE the albums . but only those that REVIEW the ablums shall
affect the rating.
that again.. is probably for closed door dicussion.. and not this
thread. But I'd like to see.. and have all see.. just what that
does to the lists.
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can I say, I'm a Middle Path. I like the effect it had on Matt's list.
His algorithm might solve a lot of complaining on the site.
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that's why it's wroth a looksie... one part of rating without
reviews i don't like is the manipulation. And I do suspect that
much of the bitchin would not be from those who do not speak English...
hell..I suspect they won't say much.. the people that bitch will
generally BE the ones who use it to f**k around with albums.. to drop
albums they don't like.. and raise those they do. Not for the
purpose of the site.. to spotlight great albums.. but simply as a
game. My two cents.. and back on topic..
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Fight Club
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Posted: December 18 2007 at 18:37 |
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I can easily work it out so that only the rating with reviews affect the Top 100 equation and the overall rating uses all the ratings. What do you think of this?
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1800iareyay
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Posted: December 18 2007 at 18:38 |
micky wrote:
My two cents.. and back on topic..
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I'll only keep you off topic a moment longer. I took the idea to the CZ so the admins can mull it over. You're right in that it's a closed door discussion.
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micky
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Posted: December 18 2007 at 18:44 |
Fight Club wrote:
I can easily work it out so that only the rating with
reviews affect the Top 100 equation and the overall rating uses all the
ratings. What do you think of this?
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interesting.... that might be the best option of all.. again..
all sides would be satisfied. The rattngs without reviews 'count'
toward the album... for leisure and digging up albums to check out...
but the lists are seperate of them in a way.... which if you
remember. Was the purpose of the 'radical' proposal I made in a way in
Bob's thread. A fair compromise in my eyes.. though I was
the only one who liked my original idea hahahha. 
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micky
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Posted: December 18 2007 at 18:46 |
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Matt... come up with some lists on those models there.. and get
everyone's opinion. I think everyone would be curious to see how
they affect the big list.
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Fight Club
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Posted: December 18 2007 at 18:59 |
micky wrote:
Matt... come up with some lists on those models there.. and get
everyone's opinion. I think everyone would be curious to see how
they affect the big list.
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Alright so what exactly do you want to see, how the top 100 would look if only ratings with reviews affected it? I'll work it out on 50 or so super-popular albums. I can't do this for much longer tonight though, I've held off studying for my Statistics final exam tomorrow for far too long because of this 
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micky
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Posted: December 18 2007 at 19:06 |
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Fight Club
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Posted: December 18 2007 at 19:08 |
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micky
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Posted: December 18 2007 at 19:11 |
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Fight Club
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Posted: December 18 2007 at 19:18 |
Wow, during all this I actually found 1 person who had the balls to write a 1 star review of Close to the Edge! "
Well,
here is is folks- the MOST OVERATED ALBUM ON THIS SITE. Easy..no doubt about
it.
The
"epic" close to the edge- starts as a headache- the 1st 3 minutes
sound like a truck
filled
with musical instruments colliding with a wall- its horrible- not untill the
femanistic
vocals
come in does the song take a slight change for the better. Yes- he sounds like
a
woman.
The lyrics are not as 'deep' as everyone says- instead, they are rather basic-
most
liekly
sophistcated to an 8th grader. Dont try to analyze "Seasons Change..I get
up..I get
Down"
ust meaningless lyrics. The rest of the album is DULL- nothing great here at
all- but
a
headache, and an oveerated pile of trash. <br><br>BLAH!!!" He could at least spell correctly before posting such a negative review of something most people consider to be a masterpiece
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micky
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Posted: December 18 2007 at 19:22 |
Fight Club wrote:
Wow, during all this I actually found 1 person who
had the balls to write a 1 star review of Close to the Edge!
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Well,
here is is folks- the MOST OVERATED ALBUM ON THIS SITE. Easy..no doubt about
it.
The
"epic" close to the edge- starts as a headache- the 1st 3 minutes
sound like a truck
filled
with musical instruments colliding with a wall- its horrible- not untill the
femanistic
vocals
come in does the song take a slight change for the better. Yes- he sounds like
a
woman.
The lyrics are not as 'deep' as everyone says- instead, they are rather basic-
most
liekly
sophistcated to an 8th grader. Dont try to analyze "Seasons Change..I get
up..I get
Down"
ust meaningless lyrics. The rest of the album is DULL- nothing great here at
all- but
a
headache, and an oveerated pile of trash. <br><br>BLAH!!!"
He could at least spell correctly before posting such a negative review of something most people consider to be a masterpiece
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hahhahah... I've read that one before... sort of stood out...
and just what is femanistic anyway...
sort of surprised that review hasn't been axed... having a
contrary opinion is one thing... but that was not a review... but a cry
out for help from some abused and tortured soul hahahhahah
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Fight Club
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Posted: December 18 2007 at 19:40 |
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Well, from the looks of it, removing non-review ratings doesn't seem to
be having much of an effect on the Top 100. The most it seems to be
changing any album's rating is by .05. Thick as a Brick had a .02
change, Wish You Were Here - .01, Close to the Edge - 0, Foxtrot - .05,
Crime of the Century - .02, Si On Avait... - .01, Quadrophenia - .02.
That's not really a noticeable difference if you ask me. Should I still keep continuing?
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Fight Club
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Posted: December 18 2007 at 20:41 |
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Well, I worked out the ratings of a few more albums, and just made a slightly larger top 100 list than I had before. Remember: this doesn't include everything, only the albums I worked out ratings for. Albums with the same rating I sorted alphabetically
1. 4.55 - Selling England By the Pound
2. 4.53 - Thick as a Brick
3. 4.53 - Wish You Were Here
4. 4.52 - Foxtrot
5. 4.51 - Dark Side of the Moon
6. 4.50 - Close to the Edge
7. 4.46 - In the Court of the Crimson King
8. 4.36 - Animals
9. 4.35 - Fragile
10. 4.35 - Moving Pictures
11. 4.35 - Red
12. 4.33 - Nursery Cryme
13. 4.33 - Pawn Hearts
14. 4.31 - Godbluff
15. 4.31 - The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
16. 4.30 - In a Glass House
17. 4.30 - Hamburger Concerto
18. 4.29 - Hemispheres
19. 4.28 - Octopus
20. 4.28 - Relayer
21. 4.28 - Si on Avait...
22. 4.27 - Crime of the Century
23. 4.27 - Larks' Tongues in Aspic
24. 4.27 - The Snow Goose
25. 4.26 - In the Land of Grey and Pink
26. 4.26 - Moonmadness
27. 4.26 - Per Un Amico
28. 4.26 - Second Life Syndrome
29. 4.25 - Depois de Fim
30. 4.25 - Script for a Jester's Tear
31. 4.23 - A Farewell to Kings
32. 4.22 - Hybris
33. 4.22 - Mirage
34. 4.22 - Misplaced Childhood
35. 4.21 - Free Hand
36. 4.21 - Hot Rats
37. 4.21 - The Human Equation
38. 4.20 - A Trick of the Tail
39. 4.20 - Birds of Fire
40. 4.20 - Images & Words
41. 4.20 - Storia...
42. 4.19 - Metropolis Pt 2: Scenes from a Memory
43. 4.18 - Lateralus
44. 4.17 - Aqualung
45. 4.17 - Permanent Waves
46. 4.16 - Still Life
47. 4.16 - The Yes Album
48. 4.15 - In Absentia
49. 4.14 - Elegant Gypsy
50. 4.13 - Darwin!
51. 4.13 - Io Sono...
52. 4.13 - Scheherazade
53. 4.11 - Emerson Lake & Palmer
54. 4.10 - Quadrophenia
55. 4.09 - Trespass
56. 4.08 - Brain Salad Surgery
57. 4.08 - Leftoverture
58. 4.06 - Ocean
59. 4.06 - Uomo Di...
60. 4.05 - If I could Do It All Over...
61. 4.04 - 2112
Don't forget there's still probably a lot of albums that would go into this. I just don't have the time to work out the formula on all of them.
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Posted: December 18 2007 at 20:47 |
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Math, hurt me!
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Fight Club
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Posted: December 18 2007 at 20:50 |
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micky
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Posted: December 18 2007 at 22:21 |
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yeah.. .that didn't change things much.... so if we drop
that little tweek.. and just leave all the reviews in there.. I think
we have a winner.
Edited by micky - December 18 2007 at 22:21
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Fight Club
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Posted: December 18 2007 at 22:24 |
micky wrote:
yeah.. .that didn't change things much.... so if we drop
that little tweek.. and just leave all the reviews in there.. I think
we have a winner.
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Alright, so what's next to do? 
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micky
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Posted: December 18 2007 at 22:28 |
Fight Club wrote:
micky wrote:
yeah.. .that didn't change things much.... so if we drop
that little tweek.. and just leave all the reviews in there.. I think
we have a winner.
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Alright, so what's next to do?
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hahhhah. . sell it brother... sell it! I'd do a summary post in your collab area thread. Telling in general terms..
remember Bob's reaction.. we dont' want to make a drunk out of him
hahhahah State how it is an improvement over the one we
have already. Once you do, we'll get the site
superluminaries to drop in from the penthouse of prog.... and take a
look at it.
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Posted: December 18 2007 at 22:31 |
Fight Club wrote:
Wow, during all this I actually found 1 person who had the balls to write a 1 star review of Close to the Edge!
"
Well,
here is is folks- the MOST OVERATED ALBUM ON THIS SITE. Easy..no doubt about
it.
The
"epic" close to the edge- starts as a headache- the 1st 3 minutes
sound like a truck
filled
with musical instruments colliding with a wall- its horrible- not untill the
femanistic
vocals
come in does the song take a slight change for the better. Yes- he sounds like
a
woman.
The lyrics are not as 'deep' as everyone says- instead, they are rather basic-
most
liekly
sophistcated to an 8th grader. Dont try to analyze "Seasons Change..I get
up..I get
Down"
ust meaningless lyrics. The rest of the album is DULL- nothing great here at
all- but
a
headache, and an oveerated pile of trash. <br><br>BLAH!!!"
He could at least spell correctly before posting such a negative review of something most people consider to be a masterpiece
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I actually haven't listened to Close To The Edge
*runs*
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