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scruffydragon 
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 Posted: February 27 2008 at 04:53 |
Have to agree,fight the English only thingy,theres a whole world of great prog out there.Many of these bands did use English lyrics as well.Some of its just too good to miss out on. 
You seem to have a broad spectrum of tastes,so it should not be too diffacult to adapt.
But if you only want English then I can only suggest trying the most english of genres,Canterbury.  Hatfield and the North,these guys are just sooo... good.Quirky,funny,and complex.
National Health.Simular to Hatfield but less lyrics.Intense I would say.
Oh,I nearly forgot .......CARAVAN.(Best mention my fav's otherwise i'll get linched).
Just noticed you like ELP,could try Egg as they also have a very in your face keyboards,Great stuff indeed.
These are my fav's,but as said its a big world out there,and an even bigger prog universe to explore.Just have fun,and try it all,after all its the music that matters.And..........I have to agree,buy food then visit the record store.  |
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 05:03 |
 laplace wrote:
Premiata Forneria Marconi, most visible italian symphonic band. =) I don't know if they're RPI or not because they remained outside of a lot of the political stuff...if you don't like italian lyrics then I have no further suggestions ;P
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Are you confusing RPI with RiO (Rock in Opposition) ? 
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Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb.
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 05:14 |
Ok, let me make a few album suggestions:
Canterbury:
Caravan - In The Land of Grey and Pink
One of the most accessible and likeable Canterbury albums out there.
Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom
The exact opposite of ITLOGAP in that it is NOT accessible and likeable on first listen, but there's some great stuff going on in it if you concentrate on it.
Crossover Prog
Peter Gabriel - Peter Gabriel (The third one, aka Melt)
The Gabe's best solo project with his most progressive sound.
Steve Howe - Natural Timbres
If you like his showcase tunes like Clap, Ram, and Masquerade, this album will amaze you.
Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells
A really weird musical suite that keeps mutating into something else as different instruments are added an dropped.
Eclectic Prog
Utopia - Todd Rundgren's Utopia
Give this one a try to get a feel for some great early American prog. No idea how they ended up in eclectic, though. The other things you've heard from eclectic won't sound anything like this.
Heavy Prog
Rush - Permanent Waves
You aren't familiar with Rush? This is their most accessible album, and Natural Science is easily their best excursion into the epic form other than 2112.
Porcupine Tree -- Stupid Dream
My favorite album for their stellar pre-In Abestia period.
Italian Symphonic Prog
PFM - Per Un Amico
The Close To The Edge of Italian Symphonic Prog. Get it, love it, cherish it. If you just have to have English lyrics, you can get Photos of Ghosts instead, but I much prefer the original and I think you will too.
Le Orme - Felona e Serona
Another masterpiece from the genre that is filled with hidden masterpieces. You'll love it.
Jazz Rock
Mahavishnu Orchestra - Birds of Fire
A highly recommended blend of Jazz that jazzes and Rock that rocks. It's a fairly intense album.
Bill Bruford - One of a Kind
On the other side of the spectrum, this one is kind of mellow for the most part. If you are familiar with UK, it sounds like UK with the rock, the slow ballad parts and the atmospheric keys stripped out.
Neo-Prog
Marillion - Script for a Jester's Tear
A heavily Genesis influenced group that started a whole genre. This is where it began.
Pallas - The Sentinel
Pallas on the other hand had a very current (for the '80's) sound but managed to bring prog into the mix anyway. Take this recommendation with a grain of salt. I love the album, but not everybody does.
Prog Folk
Gryphon - Red Queen to Gryphon Three
Gryphon was heavily influenced by medieval music and it shows, but by the time they hit their third album, they had also found a modern progressive sound. All instrumental here.
Progressive Electronica
Tangerine Dream - Phaedra
I don't know much about TD, but Phaedra is an excellent synthesizer based album. Rather short by today's standards, and rather disturbing for electronic music.
Avant Prog
Frank Zappa - Apostrophe
Musically, this is the best of the rock side of Zappa that I've heard. (Well, Joe's Garage comes close.)
Symphonic Prog
UK - UK
You didn't mention UK. If you haven't heard their first album, listen to it.
Zeuhl
Magma - MDK
Get this one and learn what the Magma fuss is about. It's even more challenging than the Robert Wyatt album listed above, and even more rewarding.
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Zargus
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 06:36 |
You need some Canterbury mate, try some:
Caravan - In the land of grey and pink
Soft Machine - I & II
Egg - The civil surface
Hatfield and the north - The rotters club
Gong - Flying teapot
thos albums from thos great canterbury bands are all good starting points in my opinion, good luck.
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laplace
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 07:51 |
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I'm not confusing RPI and RIO because I love RIO. =P
but it looks like I've read a few descriptions of the italian pop which place too much emphasis on the band's beliefs... and I'm more of an Area and Stormy Six fan than one of Banco. Oh well, just ignore my comment about the political side of things. =)
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 08:31 |
laplace wrote:
I'm not confusing RPI and RIO because I love RIO. =P
but it looks like I've read a few descriptions of the italian pop which place too much emphasis on the band's beliefs... and I'm more of an Area and Stormy Six fan than one of Banco. Oh well, just ignore my comment about the political side of things. =)
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just to got back to your earlier PFM comment... they didn't remain outside of the political turmoil of those times. They, like Area, supported the PLO against Israel. Having done some concerts in support of them. In fact in is said The Chocolate KIngs was boycotted in the US for exactly that reason.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 09:35 |
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The Quiet One
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 09:37 |
Zargus wrote:
You need some Canterbury mate, try some:
Caravan - In the land of grey and pink
Soft Machine - I & II
Egg - The civil surface
Hatfield and the north - The rotters club
Gong - Flying teapot
thos albums from thos great canterbury bands are all good starting points in my opinion, good luck. |
I got Soft Machine Tour 74 or 75...really good but maybe too jazzy?
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The Quiet One
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 09:39 |
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
Ok, let me make a few album suggestions:
Canterbury:
Caravan - In The Land of Grey and Pink
One of the most accessible and likeable Canterbury albums out there.
Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom
The exact opposite of ITLOGAP in that it is NOT accessible and likeable on first listen, but there's some great stuff going on in it if you concentrate on it.
Crossover Prog
Peter Gabriel - Peter Gabriel (The third one, aka Melt)
The Gabe's best solo project with his most progressive sound.
Steve Howe - Natural Timbres
If you like his showcase tunes like Clap, Ram, and Masquerade, this album will amaze you.
Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells
A really weird musical suite that keeps mutating into something else as different instruments are added an dropped.
Eclectic Prog
Utopia - Todd Rundgren's Utopia
Give this one a try to get a feel for some great early American prog. No idea how they ended up in eclectic, though. The other things you've heard from eclectic won't sound anything like this.
Heavy Prog
Rush - Permanent Waves
You aren't familiar with Rush? This is their most accessible album, and Natural Science is easily their best excursion into the epic form other than 2112.
Porcupine Tree -- Stupid Dream
My favorite album for their stellar pre-In Abestia period.
Italian Symphonic Prog
PFM - Per Un Amico
The Close To The Edge of Italian Symphonic Prog. Get it, love it, cherish it. If you just have to have English lyrics, you can get Photos of Ghosts instead, but I much prefer the original and I think you will too.
Le Orme - Felona e Serona
Another masterpiece from the genre that is filled with hidden masterpieces. You'll love it.
Jazz Rock
Mahavishnu Orchestra - Birds of Fire
A highly recommended blend of Jazz that jazzes and Rock that rocks. It's a fairly intense album.
Bill Bruford - One of a Kind
On the other side of the spectrum, this one is kind of mellow for the most part. If you are familiar with UK, it sounds like UK with the rock, the slow ballad parts and the atmospheric keys stripped out.
Neo-Prog
Marillion - Script for a Jester's Tear
A heavily Genesis influenced group that started a whole genre. This is where it began.
Pallas - The Sentinel
Pallas on the other hand had a very current (for the '80's) sound but managed to bring prog into the mix anyway. Take this recommendation with a grain of salt. I love the album, but not everybody does.
Prog Folk
Gryphon - Red Queen to Gryphon Three
Gryphon was heavily influenced by medieval music and it shows, but by the time they hit their third album, they had also found a modern progressive sound. All instrumental here.
Progressive Electronica
Tangerine Dream - Phaedra
I don't know much about TD, but Phaedra is an excellent synthesizer based album. Rather short by today's standards, and rather disturbing for electronic music.
Avant Prog
Frank Zappa - Apostrophe
Musically, this is the best of the rock side of Zappa that I've heard. (Well, Joe's Garage comes close.)
Symphonic Prog
UK - UK
You didn't mention UK. If you haven't heard their first album, listen to it.
Zeuhl
Magma - MDK
Get this one and learn what the Magma fuss is about. It's even more challenging than the Robert Wyatt album listed above, and even more rewarding. |
From Zappa I got almost all his discography and I have MO Birds of Fire and The Inner Mountain Flame and the following one with the orchestra.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 09:44 |
Finnforest wrote:
"ENGLISH LYRICS PLEASE!"Hey Cacho! Fight the english-only impulse. I understand, I know its hard to get past initially, but you're too young to limit your options like that. There's a whole world of great stuff and if you break down that wall, which you can, you will be so happy you did someday. The first few albums might pain you, but stick with it and force yourself if you have to. I promise you, you can learn to appreciate non-english music, and even love it eventually. Good luck. 
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It would be easier living in Europe or U.S.A but I don's live there! Having lived 1.5 year in England made my english "incredible" compared to the english from here. Having knowing spanish of course too. My parents know french, italian and maybe few more, but I can't really learn more languages know, and I really don't want for now, having 13 years old. Maybe older yes... I think that clarifies yours and many others that say I should expand my boundaries.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 09:48 |
Ghost Rider wrote:
laplace wrote:
Premiata Forneria Marconi, most visible italian symphonic band. =) I don't know if they're RPI or not because they remained outside of a lot of the political stuff...if you don't like italian lyrics then I have no further suggestions ;P |
What's the political stuff got to do with it?  I'm afraid there must have been some misunderstanding as to the nature of RPI... It was first of all a MUSICAL movement - the politics of the period are an important background factor, but most of the bands that belong to it have no political bias whatsoever (Area being one of the most notable exceptions).
BTW, PFM recorded at least two albums in English (notably Photos of Ghosts, with lyrics by Pete Sinfield), but 'real' RPI fans usually don't like them.
As for my own suggestions, I'll stick to one name: CARAVAN  ...
Edit: already suggested... Since you are a DP fan, you MUST try Atomic Rooster, and most of the Seventies bands included in the Heavy Prog subgenre. I'd also recommend The Mars Volta, but they can be a bit of an acquired taste.... I love them, but others hate them. You could do much worse than get De-Loused in the Comatorium, though. |
Ok thx... I'll try Atomic Rooster, Egg, Caravan, Soft Machine (studio albums) and...mmmm...some more!.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 10:05 |
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Do I give a try Cirscus of Life?
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Zargus
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 10:21 |
cacho wrote:
Zargus wrote:
You need some Canterbury mate, try some:
Caravan - In the land of grey and pink
Soft Machine - I & II
Egg - The civil surface
Hatfield and the north - The rotters club
Gong - Flying teapot
thos albums from thos great canterbury bands are all good starting points in my opinion, good luck. |
I got Soft Machine Tour 74 or 75...really good but maybe too jazzy? |
Thats why i recomend thier first 2 albums, thier later struff is much more jazzy but the first 2 are more like Syd Barrett era pink floyd with lots of fun things goin on and great singing by Robert Wyatt. When you got thos 2 then you can try thier later stuff.
And one more thing i know you tryed Pawn hearts by VdGG and didetn like it it, i whuld recomend you to before giving up completly on em try an earlier album thiere debut Earosol grey machine and The least we can do is weave to eachothers, are much beter starting albums then pawn hearts.
Edited by Zargus - February 27 2008 at 10:32
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The Quiet One
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 11:03 |
Okay thx.
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 11:08 |
cacho wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
"ENGLISH LYRICS PLEASE!"Hey Cacho! Fight the english-only impulse. I understand, I know its hard to get past initially, but you're too young to limit your options like that. There's a whole world of great stuff and if you break down that wall, which you can, you will be so happy you did someday. The first few albums might pain you, but stick with it and force yourself if you have to. I promise you, you can learn to appreciate non-english music, and even love it eventually. Good luck.
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It would be easier living in Europe or U.S.A but I don's live there! Having lived 1.5 year in England made my english "incredible" compared to the english from here. Having knowing spanish of course too. My parents know french, italian and maybe few more, but I can't really learn more languages know, and I really don't want for now, having 13 years old. Maybe older yes... I think that clarifies yours and many others that say I should expand my boundaries. |
Cacho....NO, you missed the point completely dude.....I wasn't telling you to learn those languages. I was telling you it doesn't matter that you don't understand them. Big difference!!
Get over this falsehood that you have to understand the lyrical content to enjoy music. That's just an uptight hang-up some people have. Don't fall for it!
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The Pessimist
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 11:31 |
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Tool, Mars Volta and Pendragon are three bloody good bands, you should check them out.
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 11:31 |
Finnforest wrote:
cacho wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
"ENGLISH LYRICS PLEASE!"Hey Cacho! Fight the english-only impulse. I understand, I know its hard to get past initially, but you're too young to limit your options like that. There's a whole world of great stuff and if you break down that wall, which you can, you will be so happy you did someday. The first few albums might pain you, but stick with it and force yourself if you have to. I promise you, you can learn to appreciate non-english music, and even love it eventually. Good luck. |
It would be easier living in Europe or U.S.A but I don's live there! Having lived 1.5 year in England made my english "incredible" compared to the english from here. Having knowing spanish of course too. My parents know french, italian and maybe few more, but I can't really learn more languages know, and I really don't want for now, having 13 years old. Maybe older yes... I think that clarifies yours and many others that say I should expand my boundaries. |
Cacho....NO, you missed the point completely dude.....I wasn't telling you to learn those languages. I was telling you it doesn't matter that you don't understand them. Big difference!!
Get over this falsehood that you have to understand the lyrical content to enjoy music. That's just an uptight hang-up some people have. Don't fall for it!
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I completely agree. Some of my favorite music is not in English, and that is the only language I speak. If I had not opened myself to it, I would never have known the greatness of Nexus, Codice, Neverness, Atoll, In Spe, Le Orme, PFM, Banco, and many others.
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 11:53 |
Since you are a big Deep Purple fan, a band that you might enjoy is the Cosmic Nomads from Australia. They rely heavily on the Hammond Organ and at least to me their music is a throwback to 70's Deep Purple. Below is a link to their MySpace page which has 6 songs from their newest album. I'm not familiar with this album, but their previous album Vultress definitely has a DP vibe about it.
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 15:38 |
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Beauty will save the world.
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Posted: February 27 2008 at 18:17 |
bhikkhu wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
cacho wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
"ENGLISH LYRICS PLEASE!"Hey Cacho! Fight the english-only impulse. I understand, I know its hard to get past initially, but you're too young to limit your options like that. There's a whole world of great stuff and if you break down that wall, which you can, you will be so happy you did someday. The first few albums might pain you, but stick with it and force yourself if you have to. I promise you, you can learn to appreciate non-english music, and even love it eventually. Good luck. |
It would be easier living in Europe or U.S.A but I don's live there! Having lived 1.5 year in England made my english "incredible" compared to the english from here. Having knowing spanish of course too. My parents know french, italian and maybe few more, but I can't really learn more languages know, and I really don't want for now, having 13 years old. Maybe older yes... I think that clarifies yours and many others that say I should expand my boundaries. |
Cacho....NO, you missed the point completely dude.....I wasn't telling you to learn those languages. I was telling you it doesn't matter that you don't understand them. Big difference!!
Get over this falsehood that you have to understand the lyrical content to enjoy music. That's just an uptight hang-up some people have. Don't fall for it!
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I completely agree. Some of my favorite music is not in English, and that is the only language I speak. If I had not opened myself to it, I would never have known the greatness of Nexus, Codice, Neverness, Atoll, In Spe, Le Orme, PFM, Banco, and many others.
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Finnforest is right, it's prog for god sakes, LYRICS DONT MATTER! I quit concentrating on the words to songs years ago!
Looking at you original list, I get the feeling you dont like modern music, is this true?
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