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Henry Plainview 
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 Posted: April 22 2009 at 16:25 |
I don't see how anyone can honestly say the internet has been a net negative for music.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Matthew T
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Posted: April 22 2009 at 17:17 |
The Internet has been one of the best things to happen for music. Without it I would most likely never known or heard half the music I have. It has put one giant music shop in my house and the information concerning music has been phenomenal that I have obtained.
I can not see the concern some artists have of music leaking as it only brings your music to a wider audience as it enables people to hear it. The majority of artists make their money from touring not selling albums. It is only really the big bands who make money from music sales.
For the the unsigned bands and any other of the lesser known musicians it has been really the only way for them to get their music out there as radio stations are not what they used to be.
I still buy albums though and I have never paid to download an album as I would rather a pressed copy and not a burnt MP3 format with no proper cover.
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Atavachron
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Posted: April 22 2009 at 17:51 |
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good topic.. a double-edged sword it has been and some of the magic is gone, but on the whole it's been a positive I think. Not just for newer acts, but also access to old stuff that would simply be impossible to track down save a worldwide music-buying tour. Not to mention this wonderful and strange and worldwide electric club we all share.
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Raff
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Posted: April 22 2009 at 18:37 |
I second what Matt and David said  . A few weeks ago we added an excellent band from Puerto Rico, Trili, to Heavy Prog - their debut album (which comes in two parts) has been released as a download (though they are planning to release it on CD too), and the feedback from those who have listened to it has been overwhelmingly positive. They are only one example of the many up-and-coming acts who are taking advantage of the web in order to make their music available. While I, like Matt and many others, would rather pay to own a 'physical' CD, we should never discount the importance of the Internet for real music lovers - music on the web is not just about illegal downloads, even if that seems to be the most visible phenomenon (as negative phenomena all too often are).
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boo boo
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Posted: April 23 2009 at 02:37 |
Both.
Good in that it allows people to discover and access music they never could have before, bands can now advertise themselves for free through Myspace and other websites. I also expect more bands to do what Radiohead did with In Rainbows in the future. And of course there's also the fact that I haven't bought an actual CD in 3 years.
Bad in that the internet has given a lot of people license to be idiots. It does seem to have decreased the attention spans of younger people and that makes it harder for them to appreciate different forms of music, not just prog either. And people also feel less inclined to do research about music topics ,they just quote wikipedia whenever they feel like it, I admit I'm guilty of it myself sometimes.
Edited by boo boo - April 23 2009 at 02:39
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: April 23 2009 at 03:23 |
 Henry Plainview wrote:
I don't see how anyone can honestly say the internet has been a net negative for music. |
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omri
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Posted: April 26 2009 at 10:17 |
boo boo wrote:
Both.
Good in that it allows people to discover and access music they never could have before, bands can now advertise themselves for free through Myspace and other websites. I also expect more bands to do what Radiohead did with In Rainbows in the future. And of course there's also the fact that I haven't bought an actual CD in 3 years.
Bad in that the internet has given a lot of people license to be idiots. It does seem to have decreased the attention spans of younger people and that makes it harder for them to appreciate different forms of music, not just prog either. And people also feel less inclined to do research about music topics ,they just quote wikipedia whenever they feel like it, I admit I'm guilty of it myself sometimes. |
My own impression is that idiotism is an ilness as old as humankind. It's not the internet that make us fools but us fools that use the internet (and so many other things) not wisely. Bands like Air suply or Modern talking (those of you who do not know these bands - you did not miss a thing !) were popular much before the internet so we should blame ourselves and not the tools we are using.
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Lucent
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Posted: April 26 2009 at 10:20 |
Personally, I think that track selection should be somehow restricted for idiots who don't appreciate the music.
I know! Vinyls!
...Nah, that day has passed.
I love the internet mainly because of sites like this which can recommend me various albums and get me into new types of music. I hate it because it grants the freedom for morons to commit piracy.
Edited by Lucent - April 26 2009 at 10:35
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: April 26 2009 at 10:23 |
 I've not yet processed all the albums in the database, but I've finished the 70s and 2006, 2007 and 2008. It's nice to see that today much more albums are being released than in the 70s ... gives me a lot of confidence that music will survive even with all the illegal downloading that's going on.
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debrewguy
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Posted: April 26 2009 at 10:33 |
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For those who seem to think that someone is an idiot because he cannot or will not take time to "appreciate" certain music (usually assmed to be a given - i.e. prog) ... have you ever thought that the music fan, the listener , how has access to so much music, that they no longer want to bother with good music, or having to listen to an album umpteenth times to like it. There are loads of great music out there. That includes prog and other more complex genres that may require more attention to "get". For fans of those genres, the same applies. There is enough great music out there, that you don't need to spend time on music that is just good.
And personally, if someone thinks that separating the wheat from the chaff is something that needs to be done in an intense process probably has too much time on their hands.
Never mind the crap, try out the good, but no need to settle for anything but the best.
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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boo boo
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Posted: April 26 2009 at 10:40 |
omri wrote:
boo boo wrote:
Both.
Good in that it allows people to discover and access music they never could have before, bands can now advertise themselves for free through Myspace and other websites. I also expect more bands to do what Radiohead did with In Rainbows in the future. And of course there's also the fact that I haven't bought an actual CD in 3 years.
Bad in that the internet has given a lot of people license to be idiots. It does seem to have decreased the attention spans of younger people and that makes it harder for them to appreciate different forms of music, not just prog either. And people also feel less inclined to do research about music topics ,they just quote wikipedia whenever they feel like it, I admit I'm guilty of it myself sometimes.
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My own impression is that idiotism is an ilness as old as humankind. It's not the internet that make us fools but us fools that use the internet (and so many other things) not wisely. Bands like Air suply or Modern talking (those of you who do not know these bands - you did not miss a thing !) were popular much before the internet so we should blame ourselves and not the tools we are using.
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True, the internet doesn't make people stupid, it just gives them a license to be stupid.
What makes the internet great is how much you can learn and explore new things with it, unfortunately that's not what everyone uses the internet for.
The fact of the matter is people check their brains at the door when they log in, meaning that even if you're a decent person in real life, you could still come off as a stupid douchebag on the internet. A lot of people have the idea that if you say things to other people you'll never meet in person, there's no consequences to anything you say, which is true for the most part, though there are mentally unstable people who do take it too seriously and therefore it can have real life consequences. But there's a lot of things you can say on the internet that you can't get away with saying in real life.
If people in real life talked to you like the people who comment on youtube, you'd either beat that person to a pulp through blind rage or you'd seriously think that person was functionally retarded.
Edited by boo boo - April 26 2009 at 10:46
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: April 26 2009 at 13:37 |
The internet is great for music.
It's ok for artists.
It is very very bad for those slimey people who try to exploit artists.  |
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boo boo
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Posted: April 26 2009 at 13:45 |
I think the internet will benefit artists greatly in the future. I don't expect many mainstream bands to jump ship from their record companies like Radiohead did and let the internet do all the work for them, at least not for now, but I think that's the inevitable future.
Edited by boo boo - April 26 2009 at 13:47
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debrewguy
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Posted: April 26 2009 at 19:40 |
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
The internet is great for music.
It's ok for artists.
It is very very bad for those slimey people who try to exploit artists. |
Care to compare these slimey people to Major Record Labels ? If you knew what Bo (Diddley) knew, you'd know better.
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