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ProgShine 
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 Posted: November 23 2009 at 19:53 |
I think is not only in the 'prog' genre, anyone who still 'blind' for all kind of music lose a lot.
There's so many great bands and records I listen to every day that aren't prog at all, it doesn't make music 'worst' or 'simple and plane' just takes the music to other levels.
Always give a try from everything, thats my motto in music 
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moshkito
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Posted: November 23 2009 at 20:09 |
Hi,
I really think that we are too damn stuck up to get more people to appreciate what we call "music" ... and that is the biggest issue of all ...
I don't have to hope that someone will listen to what I do ... any more than I can get some country bumpkins to listen to Beethoven ... it doesn't mean they are stupid ... it means that we're so full of it that we spend out time disrespecting other people, and ... their educational system and ability to know something or not.
It's really sad ... I do think that if this country decides that their education system gets a little better they might help people know that there are arts and music and a whole lot more out there ... but sadly, this is the same around the world, and in some countries this information is intentionally hidden in order to ensure that their culture (or religion) maintains the control it feels that it needs ...
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Ancient Troubadour
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Posted: November 23 2009 at 20:25 |
Heh! If you think we need more culturally savvy to our thing, Just have kids! These days a lot of 'em absorb dad's classics and take some of it on as their own. My ten year old is swearing Mike Oldfield and War of the Worlds (and Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy) is all that matters in the world. Oh, and biggles. He may move up to Tull! I've gotta admit some of my tastes rubbed off from my own Dad. |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: November 23 2009 at 22:24 |
 Progfan1958 wrote:
OK, let's take another thread and reverse the question posed so we can approach it from other angles. Do you ever feel sorry for "Prog" fans who just don't "get" other musical genres or styles ? You would actually think that the very broad range of ideas and musical directions that a "progressive" definition could lead to, that it would actually bring you to almost any musical form. Granted, not just any collection of sounds and words will have broad appeal, but shouldn't open musical ears lead to open musical minds ? |
Why should I feel sorry for them?
I like a lot of music outside Prog, and a lot of Prog I don't like at all, but that's me, that's my taste, so if somebody likes Classical or Prog alone...Good for them, at least ther are so open minded that they follow an unpopular genre and give a damn abouut what radios, labels and DJ's say,
They are happy with what they like,. if it's Prog, POP or whatever, allow them to decide what fits better to their tastes.
I heard people calling me close minded becaue I hate Rap and Hip Hop, and that pisses me, at least I give a damn if it's cool, popular or whatever.
If somebody listens Rap or Hip Hop because the feel it's the best music and enjoy it......Good for them, if they listen it because they are following the crowd, then I feel sorry for them, because they will never feel the pleasure of listening a song and having goosebumps.
So don't feel sorry for anybody, different things make different people happy.
Iván
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Ancient Troubadour
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Posted: November 23 2009 at 22:36 |
I agree, Ivan. If people THINK enough and find their own musical "sweet spot" that's very very cool! Especially when you hear them enthuse about what's so good about the things they like.
Nothing so good as a teacher who loves their subject.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: November 23 2009 at 22:40 |
Ancient Troubadour wrote:
I agree, Ivan.
If people THINK enough and find their own musical "sweet spot" that's very very cool! |
I don't think only really enjoying a narrow genre of music is good.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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A Person
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Posted: November 23 2009 at 22:47 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
Ancient Troubadour wrote:
I agree, Ivan.
If people THINK enough and find their own musical "sweet spot" that's very very cool! |
I don't think only really enjoying a narrow genre of music is good. |
Me neither, but I think Ivan was making the distinction between a pop fan who is a sheep, and a pop fan who chooses pop. The difference is that a mindless follower is never going to get the same appreciation out of something than someone who has explored various things and found one to fit them better than the others. It wouldn't make sense to limit yourself to one genre, but whatever floats your boat.
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Manuel
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Posted: November 23 2009 at 23:43 |
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On a very personal way, I love prog because is mostly music to listen to, just like classical, most jazz, tons of blues and other genres.
I'm not so much into music to dance to, and that's why most of the popular music of today does not appeal to me. Even though most of my collection is prog (maybe 90 or 95%), I find a lot of classical masters, jazz artists, etc, as enjoyable as Jethro Tull, Yes, King Crimson, PFM, Gentle Giant, etc.
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Fritha
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 03:20 |
Manuel wrote:
On a very personal way, I love prog because is mostly music to listen to, just like classical, most jazz, tons of blues and other genres.
I'm not so much into music to dance to, and that's why most of the popular music of today does not appeal to me. Even though most of my collection is prog (maybe 90 or 95%), I find a lot of classical masters, jazz artists, etc, as enjoyable as Jethro Tull, Yes, King Crimson, PFM, Gentle Giant, etc.
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Well, I listen to a lot of fairly popular indie music, new and old, these days but not because it's possible to dance to it more easily. It's perfectly fine music just to *listen* to, just like some of the prog I still enjoy...
For a couple of years (2004-2006) I did spend my music listening time almost exclusively in the sphere of progressive music (albeit in the wider meaning of the word) as back then I had discovered it properly for the first time. I did branch out fairly quickly, though, and am grateful for having done so. It was a very refreshing experience and it kind of made me appreciate the things I like about prog even more as a result. But do I feel sorry for those who choose to remain within prog? No, not really - I assume they must feel content with the way things are, otherwise they would take the initiative to step out of their comfort zone. After all, it's so easy to do that these days with the internet and all its possibilities at our disposal.
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friso
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 04:22 |
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I think it's a waste of time to feel sorry for people who only like prog. It's their decision to make what music they listen to or not. Yeah it's nice to jazz up your live a bit, have some classic metal coming out of your stereo when coming home from work and it's great to have some dedicated blues in your collection. But the point is: who are you to feel sorry for people who don't? This is a stage of arrogance I can't appreciate. Progressive music is big enough to cover all moods one can experience so it's a sufficient sort of music. Quit feeling sorry for this an that please!
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 04:49 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Progfan1958 wrote:
OK, let's take another thread and reverse the question posed so we can approach it from other angles. Do you ever feel sorry for "Prog" fans who just don't "get" other musical genres or styles ? You would actually think that the very broad range of ideas and musical directions that a "progressive" definition could lead to, that it would actually bring you to almost any musical form. Granted, not just any collection of sounds and words will have broad appeal, but shouldn't open musical ears lead to open musical minds ? |
Why should I feel sorry for them?
I like a lot of music outside Prog, and a lot of Prog I don't like at all, but that's me, that's my taste, so if somebody likes Classical or Prog alone...Good for them, at least ther are so open minded that they follow an unpopular genre and give a damn abouut what radios, labels and DJ's say,
They are happy with what they like,. if it's Prog, POP or whatever, allow them to decide what fits better to their tastes.
I heard people calling me close minded becaue I hate Rap and Hip Hop, and that pisses me, at least I give a damn if it's cool, popular or whatever.
If somebody listens Rap or Hip Hop because the feel it's the best music and enjoy it......Good for them, if they listen it because they are following the crowd, then I feel sorry for them, because they will never feel the pleasure of listening a song and having goosebumps.
So don't feel sorry for anybody, different things make different people happy.
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Great post Ivan. 
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Progfan1958
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 06:29 |
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Good day to you Ivan ! Yes, the expression "feeling sorry" is not really the best fit, but I've just used it to play off of another post for consistancy. In general I think that it's great when people broaden what they listen to, because you can take something from pretty much any form if you think about it. A lot of "Prog" results from hydridization of often quite strange styles, and that's why a lot of of us really love it, because we crave the adventure. That doesn't mean that we don't enjoy more "conventional" material though. I have a friend ( Dave ) who is quite a musical paradox at times-he goes from King Crimson,Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden, to ABBA and The Flower Kings and James Blunt. ! Me, I started almost 40 years ago with Alice Cooper, Pink Floyd, ELP, and Yes, ( Radio was half-decent then ) and have not stopped exploring. I discover a lot of artist by reading about them now ( There are some pretty good British music magazines ) , as well as by connecting one artist to another by collaboration/associations etc. ( King Crimson-The Bears-David Sylvian-Steven Wilson-Porcupine Tree-Spock's Beard-Kevin Gilbert-Toy Matinee...)
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silcir
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 08:31 |
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well, that's a bit sad if u only listen to prog, but, hey, that's not my problem, i can't feel the least bit sorry for that person and it applies to any music genre. i think it's sad, but i don't care.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 08:56 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
Ancient Troubadour wrote:
I agree, Ivan.
If people THINK enough and find their own musical "sweet spot" that's very very cool! |
I don't think only really enjoying a narrow genre of music is good. |
Well, Prog is far from being narrow, bands like:
- Genesis (Symphonic)
- Pink Floyd (Fuirst Psyche and then Space Rock)
- Kansas (Symphonic + Hard Rock + Country)
- King Crimson (Whatever they play)
- Henry Cow (Rio - vant)
- Mostly Autumsn (Folk + Symphonic)
- Asia (Pop + whatever)
- Osibisa (Afro Funk + Psyche)
- Return to Forever (Almost Pure Jazz)
- Rick Wakeman (Classical + Rock)
Are radically different one with another, if you like them all, or at least a good number of them, you like a lot of genres, so hardly would call Prog a narrow genre.
Now, people who like Prog, rarely like ONLY Prog, because our beloved genre is a blend of sounds, sttyles and genres, so theoir ear are used to fifferent music, but if they only like Prog......Great for them.
You must listen what pleases you, not what others expect you to like.
In Perú there is creole music, I don't like it, I find it boring, repetitive, vulgar and lack of musicality in most cases, but my brother in law's family can't understand how in hell I can like Rock, they breathe and sweat "Musica Criolla", the difference is that I don't share their tastes, but I understand why they like it.
Dictator Velazco, tried to destroy Rock, he threw Santana out of the country for political reasons (stupid reasons to be honest, he was accused of being a Yanquee agent and because he used marihuana  ) even when 100,000 souls had paid the concert, in 1970. Even a few months ago, if you made a Musica Criolla concert, you didn't almost paid taxes, if you made a Rock concert, you had to pay a extra 15% because it wasn't considered cultural........ THAT'S BEING NARROW MINDED.
But if I know what I like and respect other people's tastes, even when don't share them, it's ok with me, if you like, one, two, or tmn different genres, it's equally great, life is too short to please others doing what they think is correct, like whatever you want, as long as you understand others who like whatever you don't
Iván
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Nuke
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 12:00 |
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I do feel a bit sorry, just because I feel they could have a better music experience if they opened up their minds, but not so much, because music is a "to each their own" sort of thing. I definitely feel better having opened up to different styles then when I was a teen and only listened to the most elite underground metal recordings. Knowing all sorts of music is good for you, I swear!
Edited by Nuke - November 24 2009 at 12:00
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 12:10 |
Why would anyone here feel sorry for someone who has found music that makes them happy? That, to me, is not good. This notion that what we perceive as someone else's limited taste in music is somehow sad or wrong or not good is absurd and arrogance of the highest degree. People so often perceive others through their own biases. That is no way to look at other people, especially if you want to understand them and communicate with them. Personally, I can honestly say that the vast majority of my listening time is devoted to prog (well, except when I listen to Porcupine Tree.........sorry, couldn't resist  ). 95% of my music collection is prog. I would feel sorry for anyone who felt they needed to feel sorry for me. It's music that gives me great joy, great satisfaction. If I get bored with it, or tired of it, I will actively seek out new and different forms of music. Just like I did when I felt something was missing from the "classic" rock I grew up listening to, and discovered prog. I find it strange that proggers often feel this need to enforce their so called "open mindedness" on the rest of the music listening world. Some people like just one kind of music and are totally happy with that. They don't want you feeling sorry for them and probably don't care if you do (and probably think your favorite music sucks anyway  ).
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 12:24 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
Ancient Troubadour wrote:
I agree, Ivan.
If people THINK enough and find their own musical "sweet spot" that's very very cool! |
I don't think only really enjoying a narrow genre of music is good. |
Why?  (not that I do... but there are people who do. And I'm not sure what could be so wrong about them if this statement is true...)
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Nuke
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 15:38 |
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It's not like "we're going to cry for you because you must be sad listening to such a limited range of music." It's more like "what a shame that you limit yourself like that." It's not that anyone feels the need to feel sorry for you. If you had never ridden a bike, or if you had never climbed a mountain, I would also feel sorry for you. It's not arrogance of the highest degree, and I'm not forcing an open mind on you, I'm just saying "you should try this, you're missing out." Would you get all huffy-puffy if someone told you you should try sushi?
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lazland
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 15:44 |
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I will, quite often, have a massive Smiths night, when Moz is on perpetually. I also love The Levellers, Tansads, and bands of that folk/punk rock ilk. I love classical music, and am also partial to good pop music and the blues.
It's each to their own. I feel sorry for those who close their ears to all but a particular sub genre, but prog always was and remains my first love.
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Darklord55
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 17:38 |
I recently discovered that G.F. Handel wrote a few organ concertos. WOW! I cant' stop listening. Very Proggy!! 
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