Author |
Topic Search Topic Options
|
SaltyJon
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: February 08 2008
Location: Location
Status: Offline
Points: 28772
|
Posted: March 01 2010 at 09:59 |
Padraic wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
harmonium.ro wrote:
E-Re is 56 dollars on Amazon.com... I guess that is the full price of 30 euro translated into dollars. When I bought it, it was on a massively reduced price (even the Magma website sold with a 30% discount), I got it on Aamzon.fr for 16 euros. Still, if it's of any consolation, the album comes with a DVD and the packaging is nice.
|
Yeah, I'm with Harry on that one. There's no way I would spend that much on a CD (no way I could spend that much).
|
That's why we shop at Wayside, kids. $26 - not saying that that is particularly cheap either, but obviously spending > $50 on a single CD is a bit much to ask of anyone.
If you're willing to wait I'm sure it will show up in MP3 form at some point on AmazonMP3 or emusic.
|
I was going to say the same thing about Wayside. If E-Re was only available for $50+, I'd still not have it. Thankfully Wayside is an amazing website and (generally) has good prices. I'm liking the top 50, a lot of albums I want and 6 I have.  I feel as if I should get the new Miriodor soon.
|
|
 |
Ricochet
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: February 27 2005
Location: Nauru
Status: Offline
Points: 46301
|
Posted: March 01 2010 at 10:59 |
Kotro wrote:
Otherwise, nothing unexpected - just how much of a landslide win was Magma's? |
In points: 1. Magma 2. maudlin (-14 points) 3. Transatlantic (-21 points) 4. The Decemberists (-37 points) 5. Porcupine (-43 points) In appreciation, Magma was chosen #1 by 7 collaborators and #2 by another 7 collaborators. maudlin was #1 only for 4 collaborators, otherwise landing more variedly (but scoring big, because a lot of people voted for it, one way or the other). Until yesterday, Decemberists and Porcupine were 1 point apart. But something changed his mind. Also, Isis was #10 also until yesterday. One more vote pushed Miriodor instead.
|
|
 |
Tsevir Leirbag
Forum Senior Member
Joined: May 03 2009
Location: Montréal
Status: Offline
Points: 8321
|
Posted: March 01 2010 at 11:10 |
Damn it!
None of my choices is in the top five.
At least Miriodor's Avanti! made the top ten.
|
Les mains, les pieds balancés
Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers,
Un marin mort,
Il dormira
- Paul Éluard
|
 |
Todd
Special Collaborator
RPI / Heavy Prog Team
Joined: December 19 2007
Location: California
Status: Offline
Points: 3472
|
Posted: March 01 2010 at 11:16 |
Tsevir Leirbag wrote:
Damn it!
None of my choices is in the top five.
At least Miriodor's Avanti! made the top ten. |
And based on the preceding post, it may have been your vote that pushed them in!  
|
|
 |
SaltyJon
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: February 08 2008
Location: Location
Status: Offline
Points: 28772
|
Posted: March 01 2010 at 11:23 |
Tsevir Leirbag wrote:
Damn it!
None of my choices is in the top five.
At least Miriodor's Avanti! made the top ten. |
You didn't vote for Magma? But...but...you're a SR regular and all that fun stuff.
|
|
 |
harmonium.ro
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin
Joined: August 18 2008
Location: Anna Calvi
Status: Offline
Points: 22989
|
Posted: March 01 2010 at 11:32 |
^ He's with his nose caught in chamber rock.  BTW Jon don't get Miriodor until you're really sure (I would suggest Cheer Accident and Zu before). Also, I'm angry on Gabe for knocking Isis out from the top 10 on the last moment 
|
 |
SaltyJon
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: February 08 2008
Location: Location
Status: Offline
Points: 28772
|
Posted: March 01 2010 at 11:35 |
What do you mean until I'm really sure? I have and really like Jongleries Elastiques, so I'm sure I'll enjoy their new one as well. There are a lot on there I need, that, the two you suggested, Led Bib, etc.
|
|
 |
Slartibartfast
Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam
Joined: April 29 2006
Location: Atlantais
Status: Offline
Points: 29630
|
Posted: March 01 2010 at 11:40 |
Windhawk wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
Just curious, did the list of nominees go over 100?
|
Read the opening of the initial post and you'll see the answer there ;-)
|
I totally whizzed right by that.  Interesting to see the predominance of metal and metal related artists in the list. Curious to see how 2010 comes out to see if it's a trend.
Edited by Slartibartfast - March 01 2010 at 11:57
|
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
|
 |
TheGazzardian
Prog Reviewer
Joined: August 11 2009
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 8844
|
Posted: March 01 2010 at 11:58 |
SaltyJon wrote:
Padraic wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
harmonium.ro wrote:
E-Re is 56 dollars on Amazon.com... I guess that is the full price of 30 euro translated into dollars. When I bought it, it was on a massively reduced price (even the Magma website sold with a 30% discount), I got it on Aamzon.fr for 16 euros. Still, if it's of any consolation, the album comes with a DVD and the packaging is nice.
|
Yeah, I'm with Harry on that one. There's no way I would spend that much on a CD (no way I could spend that much).
|
That's why we shop at Wayside, kids. $26 - not saying that that is particularly cheap either, but obviously spending > $50 on a single CD is a bit much to ask of anyone.
If you're willing to wait I'm sure it will show up in MP3 form at some point on AmazonMP3 or emusic.
|
I was going to say the same thing about Wayside. If E-Re was only available for $50+, I'd still not have it. Thankfully Wayside is an amazing website and (generally) has good prices.
I'm liking the top 50, a lot of albums I want and 6 I have. I feel as if I should get the new Miriodor soon.
|
I got it off of Lasers Edge, but either way it's way cheap ... now that I've found the list of places to buy prog CDs on progarchives, I barely buy prog off of amazon anymore. Lasers Edge, Wayside, Kinesis, and Synphonic all have much better selections and usually better prices.
In terms of the list, I'm actually a bit surprised by how close it is to the top 10 list that already existed + Mars Volta and Porcupine Tree. I must admit that I'm not displeased by it though, I don't like most of the metal on it (other than Part the Second, which isn't very metal admittedly), but it's a balanced list, and most of my favorites did make the list. It's cool to see bands like maudling of the Well, Deluge Grander, Cheer Accident, and Wobbler getting up there alongside the "big" bands like Porcupine Tree, Transatlantic, Mars Volta, and Dream Theater.
|
 |
stonebeard
Forum Senior Member
Joined: May 27 2005
Location: NE Indiana
Status: Offline
Points: 28057
|
Posted: March 01 2010 at 12:05 |
It's not like I voted for what would be the top albums of the year when
I was a collab, but if I were to make an exclusively prog list, only
Crack the Skye would make it. Maybe in a good mood The Hazards of Love.
E-Re was spectacularly routine and boring. I can't expect much else from Magma playing the same Magma music Magma always does.
But then again, this year was horrifically disappointing for the prog music I like. I seriously laugh when I see Porcupine Tree on this list at all, thought it's predictable they'd be here, given Wilson could poop out anything and people'd love it (re: Insurgentes) (re:re: this was me before 2009).
|
|
 |
Logan
Forum & Site Admin Group
Site Admin
Joined: April 05 2006
Location: In repose.
Status: Offline
Points: 38969
|
Posted: March 01 2010 at 12:39 |
stonebeard wrote:
It's not like I voted for what would be the top albums of the year when
I was a collab, but if I were to make an exclusively prog list, only
Crack the Skye would make it. Maybe in a good mood The Hazards of Love.
E-Re was spectacularly routine and boring. I can't expect much else from Magma playing the same Magma music Magma always does.
But then again, this year was horrifically disappointing for the prog music I like. I seriously laugh when I see Porcupine Tree on this list at all, thought it's predictable they'd be here, given Wilson could poop out anything and people'd love it (re: Insurgentes) (re:re: this was me before 2009).
|
Magma was spectacularly routine, with an emphasis, I'd say, on spectacular. You've never liked any Magma, have you? I'm happy to see two of my faves in the top ten: E-Re and Avanti.
|
Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
|
 |
CCVP
Prog Reviewer
Joined: September 15 2007
Location: Vitória, Brasil
Status: Offline
Points: 7971
|
Posted: March 01 2010 at 13:11 |
Wow, I am extremely disappointed to see magma at #1. Ëmëhntëhtt-ré isn't special not even by zehul standards, and that in a genre that has less important bands to progressive rock than you have fingers in a single hand. That is really frustrating. Not that it a bad album, no, but I think it is as representative to progressive rock as Putin is representative to Nigerian People and, hell, it can be easily surpassed in quality by 80% of all Magma studio input. A damn shame, that is what this is. I would have been satisfied with almost any other album listed in the list (top 49?). Unfortunately the year of 2009 ends with a bittersweet taste in my mouth. The year was possibly the best year for progressive rock since 1972 and yet the album of the years is such an uninteresting one, when put in perspective. It is the same as having Obscured by Clouds as the best album of 1972, seriously. I still can't believe a simple list could make me truly sad. I'm off to listening Atheist to try to shake that off.  Just hope that in 2010 we have better results. Oh, and by the way, congratulations Rico for the effort and the result compilation.
|
|
 |
WalterDigsTunes
Forum Senior Member
Joined: September 11 2007
Location: SanDiegoTijuana
Status: Offline
Points: 4373
|
Posted: March 01 2010 at 13:13 |
A classic band sweeps aside all the would-be usurpers. Awesome!
|
 |
CCVP
Prog Reviewer
Joined: September 15 2007
Location: Vitória, Brasil
Status: Offline
Points: 7971
|
Posted: March 01 2010 at 13:30 |
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
A classic band sweeps aside all the would-be usurpers. Awesome!
|
That coming from a guy with a Zappa avatar is as logical as albinos against sun blocker, or men against bikinis, or Russians against vodka. Zappa was one of the biggest supported of new bands in the prog scene, it just don't make sense.
Edited by CCVP - March 01 2010 at 13:31
|
|
 |
Logan
Forum & Site Admin Group
Site Admin
Joined: April 05 2006
Location: In repose.
Status: Offline
Points: 38969
|
Posted: March 01 2010 at 13:34 |
CCVP wrote:
Wow, I am extremely disappointed to see magma at #1. Ëmëhntëhtt-ré isn't special not even by zehul standards, and that in a genre that has less important bands to progressive rock than you have fingers in a single hand. That is really frustrating.
Not that it a bad album, no, but I think it is as representative to progressive rock as Putin is representative to Nigerian People and, hell, it can be easily surpassed in quality by 80% of all Magma studio input. A damn shame, that is what this is. I would have been satisfied with almost any other album listed in the list (top 49?).
Unfortunately the year of 2009 ends with a bittersweet taste in my mouth. The year was possibly the best year for progressive rock since 1972 and yet the album of the years is such an uninteresting one, when put in perspective. It is the same as having Obscured by Clouds as the best album of 1972, seriously. I still can't believe a simple list could make me truly sad. I'm off to listening Atheist to try to shake that off. 
Just hope that in 2010 we have better results.
Oh, and by the way, congratulations Rico for the effort and the result compilation.
|
Zeuhl, for my money, is one of the most special categories with a many amazing bands and albums. Even the worst of them I enjoy (that said, I'm not the uber-Zeuhl freak I used to be). I agree that it's not that special an album for Magma (and I have a ton of Magma albums) or Zeuhl generally, but it is a highly enjoyable album for me. I certainly wouldn't put it over classic era stuff generally. Is it as amazing a last album as Kobaia was an amazing debut? Hell no. If this leads more people to discover the wild world of Zeuhl, early Magma, and various avant-oriented music, then great!
|
Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
|
 |
SaltyJon
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: February 08 2008
Location: Location
Status: Offline
Points: 28772
|
Posted: March 01 2010 at 13:34 |
CCVP wrote:
Wow, I am extremely disappointed to see magma at #1. Ëmëhntëhtt-ré isn't special not even by zehul standards, and that in a genre that has less important bands to progressive rock than you have fingers in a single hand. That is really frustrating.
Not that it a bad album, no, but I think it is as representative to progressive rock as Putin is representative to Nigerian People and, hell, it can be easily surpassed in quality by 80% of all Magma studio input. A damn shame, that is what this is. I would have been satisfied with almost any other album listed in the list (top 49?).
|
On the contrary, I think it's one of the best albums Magma has managed to put out in their careers. It's easily in my top 3 studio releases by the band. As for how important they (or Zeuhl) are to progressive rock, isn't that pretty subjective as well? Sure, they're not well known, but that's not equivalent to important. And if you disliked it so much...why bother to type out all the umlauts and accents?
|
|
 |
rushfan4
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: May 22 2007
Location: Michigan, U.S.
Status: Offline
Points: 66828
|
Posted: March 01 2010 at 13:43 |
The Magma fan to PA members who frequent the forums ratio is pretty high however.
I've not heard the album and have limited desire to hear the album so I can't judge either way. I can say that I do frequent the forums enough (read way, way too much) to know that I am not surprised to see Magma ranked as number 1 album. The sad thing in my mind is that if my readings of the forum are correct, they actually performed this music live in the 70's and even have a live recording of it from then, but it wasn't actually released as a studio release until 2009, so it would be kind of like being able to vote for the King Crimson remastered releases as the top album of 2009.
|
|
 |
Windhawk
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: December 28 2006
Location: Norway
Status: Offline
Points: 11401
|
Posted: March 01 2010 at 13:47 |
After having given that latest Magma album enough spins for me to write about it a while ago, I failed to get the magic there.
Bog standard repetitive fusion with Wagnerian overtones so strong that I was tempted to stretch out my right hand in a signature pose, the one and only element that was truly amazing on that album was the performance.
Nothing new, nothing original, okayish compositions utterly devoid of any emotion whatsoever. But perfectionist and clinical in performance, I readily admit that. Vander in particular may be among the best drummers in the business.
|
Websites I work with:
http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com
My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/
|
 |
Padraic
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: February 16 2006
Location: Pennsylvania
Status: Offline
Points: 31169
|
Posted: March 01 2010 at 13:48 |
rushfan4 wrote:
so it would be kind of like being able to vote for the King Crimson remastered releases as the top album of 2009. |
So what you're saying is that there has to be some time limit on when material can be recorded after it's been composed.
|
 |
rushfan4
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: May 22 2007
Location: Michigan, U.S.
Status: Offline
Points: 66828
|
Posted: March 01 2010 at 13:49 |
Padraic wrote:
rushfan4 wrote:
so it would be kind of like being able to vote for the King Crimson remastered releases as the top album of 2009. |
So what you're saying is that there has to be some time limit on when material can be recorded after it's been composed.
|
Pretty much, especially since a version of the music was already previously in existence.
|
|
 |