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The_Jester
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Posted: November 30 2011 at 18:30 |
In fact, I think that having a distinctive style in progressive music is prog. The philosophy is that you need to keep evolving but in your style. Imitating prog of the seventies is only an imitation. Though prog, imitations are imitations and never more.
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Progosopher
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Posted: November 30 2011 at 19:49 |
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Progressive Rock is rock music that progresses beyond the traditional rock structures. |
The only way we can manage a group this large and diverse is to maintain a broad definition of Prog. This is a good one ^. The last time I commenented within this type of thread I noted I once saw a quote from Keith Emerson here who said pretty much the same thing. I have never accepted that the word 'progressive' in this sense indicates doing something that has never been done before, for such a thing is a virtual impossibility - all new creations involve synthesizing elements of old creations. 
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The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty"
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KoS
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Posted: November 30 2011 at 21:10 |
Is the calzone a progressive pizza?
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multipdf
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Posted: December 01 2011 at 02:38 |
The best post here, thank you Progressive Attic.
When someone says 'if I see another post about this topic I will......" shouldn't he consider the people that have just joined the site and not assume everyone has been here for years.. so sorry if it has been asked before....
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NecronCommander
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Posted: December 01 2011 at 03:22 |
I'm sorry, I did a double take when I saw the title of this thread. I'm sorry to butt in but this is really one of the silliest things I've heard in quite some time.
Is prog really prog? Yes. Well, no. Is air really air? Is the earth really the earth? Is Wold really bad?
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JS19
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Posted: December 01 2011 at 03:49 |
This has been done to death. Wait, no, past death, into the next life. And done so much there we all got kicked out.
multipdf wrote:
The best post here, thank you Progressive Attic.
When someone says 'if I see another post about this topic I will......" shouldn't he consider the people that have just joined the site and not assume everyone has been here for years.. so sorry if it has been asked before.... |
He assumes people understand what the 'search function' is.
Edited by JS19 - December 01 2011 at 03:58
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paganinio
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Posted: December 01 2011 at 09:08 |
 This thread is exactly the kind of threads people who laugh at our community will laugh at. The thread title itself, is a real amusing one. Outsiders will giggle at the self-referential nature of the question, while people who know a thing or two about us will just LOL.
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Posted: December 01 2011 at 09:11 |
I hear musical formulas that are often repeated over and over. I am not discouraged by it in the least when considering that some neo-prog bands are creative in the department of being original with these formulas. I grow tired of the set ups. What comes across sounding like Pink Floyd is sometimes not intentional. I am willing to give it the benefit of the doubt. Eloy for example ...in the past would begin a concept piece with a drone tone bulid up of atmospheric keyboard sounds along with slow bending guitar leads like David Gilmour. I excepted it then...but I can't now. I can't listen to a prog band who is attempting to emulate the intro soundscape of "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" when it's already been repeated a hundred times.
Within what you would generally define as prog are music formulas. Most of them derive from Classical, Jazz, and Folk music. They became prog formulas after they were reversed. For example learning a long extensive note passage from Bach's Brandenburg concerto's and changing it up a bit ...to either be reversed or broken down into smaller groups of notes ...and then added into phrasing to be played by Steve Howe as he backed up the voice of Jon Anderson. This is how a lot of great signature passages or riffs were written for epic prog pieces. Many of the ones that members of progarchives have heard for decades were out-right taken from Classical music. They were incorporated to back a vocalist/songwriter...and again like Jon Anderson ..to produce something different for the times.
Mahavishnu Orchestra's style of writing and of course John McLaughlin influenced prog. Years went by and I heard McLaughlin's chord structures repeated endlessly in prog. When you're a musician the music becomes "dead like" because while you're being told that this new progressive piece you are learning is prog and very unique....the only visual you have is that you're playing John McLaughlin's chord progressions once again. I really appreciate artists who use reflections of the innovators before them and not so much the entire formula.
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Posted: December 01 2011 at 09:23 |
multipdf wrote:
Most current Prog bands I hear sound like bands from the 70's and 80's so should it not be called 'Retro Prog' otherwise it seems like a paradox?!!!!!
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We've seen this topic a million billion times. No worries. Listen to more prog. Most of the bands I listen to today should be at least considered progressive or experimental and do not sound like I anything from the 70s.
Also welcome to the forum!
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There be dragons
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CloseToTheMoon
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Posted: December 01 2011 at 09:47 |
It's something you have to be objective about once in a while. Wondering if bands that are heavily influenced by a certain band are actually progressing a sound, or just copying.Certainly there were bands in the time period (Starcastle, Rush) that were influenced by bands before them, but they kinda ran with it.
Prog will always be a force against whatever is being forced onto mainstream radio. It'll always be the smarter and more interesting form of music, no matter how abstract it gets or even how restrained it can be.
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octopus-4
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Posted: December 01 2011 at 11:09 |
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This.
When I have listened to the words "prog" and "progressive" for the first time I was already listening to ELP, Pink Floyd, Yes, Camel, Caravan and Renaissance since 20 years. I told a colleague which music I like and he told me "That's called prog!".
Call it as you want. I like it and that's all for me.
Or should I say: "prog is what I like, non-prog is what I don't"?
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octopus-4
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Posted: December 01 2011 at 11:11 |
frippism wrote:
multipdf wrote:
Most current Prog bands I hear sound like bands from the 70's and 80's so should it not be called 'Retro Prog' otherwise it seems like a paradox?!!!!!
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We've seen this topic a million billion times. No worries. Listen to more prog. Most of the bands I listen to today should be at least considered progressive or experimental and do not sound like I anything from the 70s.
Also welcome to the forum! |
Frippism is right. The best post of the thread, IMO.
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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Posted: December 01 2011 at 11:12 |
octopus-4 wrote:
frippism wrote:
multipdf wrote:
Most current Prog bands I hear sound like bands from the 70's and 80's so should it not be called 'Retro Prog' otherwise it seems like a paradox?!!!!!
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We've seen this topic a million billion times. No worries. Listen to more prog. Most of the bands I listen to today should be at least considered progressive or experimental and do not sound like I anything from the 70s.
Also welcome to the forum! |
Frippism is right. The best post of the thread, IMO. |
Wow. Easy to please.
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JS19
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Posted: December 01 2011 at 11:16 |
Snow Dog wrote:
octopus-4 wrote:
frippism wrote:
multipdf wrote:
Most current Prog bands I hear sound like bands from the 70's and 80's so should it not be called 'Retro Prog' otherwise it seems like a paradox?!!!!!
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We've seen this topic a million billion times. No worries. Listen to more prog. Most of the bands I listen to today should be at least considered progressive or experimental and do not sound like I anything from the 70s.
Also welcome to the forum! |
Frippism is right. The best post of the thread, IMO. |
Wow. Easy to please. |
This post right here: best post in the thread.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: December 01 2011 at 11:19 |
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octopus-4
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Posted: December 01 2011 at 11:21 |
 . We are going recursive.
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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frippism
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Posted: December 01 2011 at 12:29 |
JS19 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
octopus-4 wrote:
frippism wrote:
multipdf wrote:
Most current Prog bands I hear sound like bands from the 70's and 80's so should it not be called 'Retro Prog' otherwise it seems like a paradox?!!!!! |
We've seen this topic a million billion times. No worries. Listen to more prog. Most of the bands I listen to today should be at least considered progressive or experimental and do not sound like I anything from the 70s.
Also welcome to the forum! |
Frippism is right. The best post of the thread, IMO. |
Wow. Easy to please. |
This post right here: best post in the thread. |
There go my 15 minutes
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There be dragons
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KoS
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Posted: December 01 2011 at 12:32 |
Is pizza really a vegetable?
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Snow Dog
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Posted: December 01 2011 at 12:35 |
frippism wrote:
JS19 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
octopus-4 wrote:
frippism wrote:
multipdf wrote:
Most current Prog bands I hear sound like bands from the 70's and 80's so should it not be called 'Retro Prog' otherwise it seems like a paradox?!!!!! |
We've seen this topic a million billion times. No worries. Listen to more prog. Most of the bands I listen to today should be at least considered progressive or experimental and do not sound like I anything from the 70s.
Also welcome to the forum! |
Frippism is right. The best post of the thread, IMO. |
Wow. Easy to please. |
This post right here: best post in the thread. |
There go my 15 minutes |
You may have just won the title back. 
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peart_lee_lifeson
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Posted: December 01 2011 at 18:06 |
Here's an interesting interview with Gildenlow that is somewhat related. He describes progressive as "controlled, caucasian, and male." I agree with this opinion to an extent.
Edited by peart_lee_lifeson - December 01 2011 at 18:06
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PROG ON!!!
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