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oliverstoned wrote: Mr ProgFreak wrote: The basic point that Dean and I are constantly making is that there isn't such a big difference between cheap hi-fi systems and audiophile systems You still don't understand that audiophile doesn't mean expensive. I can compose an affordable audiophile system: that would be composed of choosed musical elements that would be optimized. There are huge systems that are not musical at all.

You still haven't explained what "musical" means, or any of the other terms you use to describe an audiophile system.

I still stick with the idea that if you blow money on pricey sound system you have painted your self into a corner where you have a vested in believing it sounds superior to anything you had in the past.  

Mr ProgFreak wrote: "Musical" is a ideal term to be used in marketing, since it can't be measured. If you want to have a reasonable discussion - doesn't matter which topic - objectively measurable (quantifiable) claims are vital. Without them you can discuss, but each person involved will have a different understanding of what they're talking about.

Negoba wrote: Mr ProgFreak wrote: "Musical" is a ideal term to be used in marketing, since it can't be measured. If you want to have a reasonable discussion - doesn't matter which topic - objectively measurable (quantifiable) claims are vital. Without them you can discuss, but each person involved will have a different understanding of what they're talking about.     I think "objectively measurable" goes too far especially in terms of something as subjective as how pleasant the sound coming out of a music system is. You're communicating your need for quantizing reality again.   Now some things that are not measurable still can be observed by more than one observer.   At the same time, if someone makes auditory claims that CAN be measured as below the level of human detection, I'll be the first to call BS.

...the same guy listened to my portable setup yesterday evening...
he was blown away by the quickness, tightness and depth of Avishaï Cohen's bass....

-->dean: if i remove the "paraphernalia", the sytem doesn't work anymore. It's as simple as that.


And about price...i admit that i can't compose a full musical (the ability to reproduce music in a pleasant and realistic way) for 300€;

In new price, a minimum amp is 300€, a minimum CD is 300€ and same for speakers. Add the stands, cables, furniture and it's easily 1000€ with only one source. So maybe half of third of this price on second hand.

Now i can advice a full all-made mini system such as Denon which is the best in the genre. But it's already far from the previous formula.

And i also quoted Audio engine amp/speaker's combo which costs 300€ pair
so if you already own a n Ipod...

Now if you're a real music lover and you tell me that 1000€ is way too much for listening to music with a good sound then i don't understand.
The average guy spends 10 000 or 20 000€ for a car whereas a 2000€ one
does exatly the same (going from a A point to a B point).

I don't drive, i've made my choice.


Edited by oliverstoned - May 03 2011 at 08:15

oliverstoned wrote: Nobody here has ever heard a system which "push walls". So they think i'm exagerating how good my system sound. It has nothing to do with an ordinary system.

If you've heard, you'd know.

Alitare wrote: Uhm...my music collection is entirely composed of digital media. I own approximately 500gbs of music. It's somewhere around 7,500 albums. It's lasted me nearly a year now, and I have it all at the touch of a few buttons. The computer I have + the headset I have makes for a great listening experience ($30 for the headphones). I could care less for Cds. What I do wish, however, is to have an amazingly high quality record player setup with a massed collection of LPs to have that experience.

oliverstoned wrote: -->dean: if i remove the "paraphernalia", the sytem doesn't work anymore. It's as simple as that.