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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I just love it when a long track starts as a fugue and ends as a reggae
 
Perhaps my favourite track that ends completely different to its start is "Symptom Of The Universe" (Black Sabbath - Sabotage). Although I've known this track forever, it was a review on PA that called my attention to how unusual this is and in particular how successful this track is in doing it.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Well....I honestly believe that most  lp's here are rated fairly...there might be a few that are slightly under and slightly over rated, but as I sit here typing I can't think of one off the top of my head that needs to be mentioned.
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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Probably the first solo album of the most underrated guitar player on this site. In my opinion a 5 star album. I deliberately don't name him.

Steve Hillage? 
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Probably the first solo album of the most underrated guitar player on this site. In my opinion a 5 star album. I deliberately don't name him.

Steve Hillage? 

No. I am talking of this album:



The first three tracks, though good (the energetic "SiGaNiWaTa", the menacing "No More Jogging", "Frag Mich Nicht" meaning "Don't ask me" with the Indian flavour due to the sitar) don't have that stellar guitar and oud playing yet. But then comes "The Heat", a live track with sensational oud playing, a simply incredible track, followed by "Glowin'" with an extremely complicated rhythmic pattern in parts of the song (try figuring out the meter; you will give up quickly) and stellar guitar, and then the best track of the album, "Heartbeat", with my favourite guitar solo of all time in the blues section (though the whole 10 minute song is more or less one big guitar solo). and as bonus track "What I can do you can do too / On the corner" another live recording with great guitar.

This album is so incredibly good but gets an average rating of 3.32. Unbelievable! People should be praising this album as one of the best ever, and it gets totally ignored. Sometimes I really don't understand what people base their rating on.

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Nothing is underrated/overrated as such. They are rated what they are rated what they are. I disagree with the ratings sometimes, but that doesn't somehow make the consensus less or more valid.

That being said, I just recently got into Supersister and picked up their first four albums. They are all fantastic albums, but I couldn't believe it when I looked up the albums and found Iskander tends to get absolutely eviscerated in reviews, even from collabs. I find that one and the debut to be the most enjoyable start to finish.

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The first four ELP albums are underrated.
So is Tales From Topographic Oceans, I know it's a controversial album, but in a prog site I'd expect it to have a higher rating, just like A Passion Play is not very popular but it's highly rated here (and I see more reasons to rate highly Tales than Pasion). Crimson's Islands underrated too.
Then some buy non-prog bands, but it's understandable. Early Queen albums except ANATO and II are underrated, The Who Sell Out is underrated. And And Then There Were Three by Genesis, from their post-Hackett/Gabriel period. Morrison Hotel by The Doors also vastly underrated, just checked their page and was surprised because it's usually considered among their best.
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I go more by the weight of the ratings than the ratings themselves. For example an album might have mostly four stars but more three stars than five stars but still be worth investigating since those who gave it four stars might have a similar taste to me. It also depends on the subgenre. If people who aren't really fans of neo or symph yet a lot of them give it one or two stars but don't write a review then you will never know the taste of those who give it a low rating. So I look at the bulk of the stars rather than just the over all rating. That being said typically anything above 3.5 could be good.

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I’ll throw in steely dans debut, imo it’s their best album
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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

I’ll throw in steely dans debut, imo it’s their best album

Big fan of that album especially side one. Not sure it's their best but certainly their most under rated. 
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Originally posted by maryes maryes wrote:

Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Tales and In a Glass House deserve to be higher!
 
I agree and IMHO Kansas "The Point of Know Return" , Finch "The Glory of Inner Force" and "Beyond Expression", Modry Efekt "Svitanie" and "Svet Hledacu" , Focus "Hamburger Concerto  also deserves a better quotation !!!

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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

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Remember though that progressive rock in it's highest expression, and make no mistake.. this is it, is art. Art is supposed to be evaluated and reflected upon by each individual, and that is why this album has opinions ranging from.. the greatest musical work of the last 50 years to being on the top 10 list of worst albums ever made. If art and progressive rock are designed to provoke and stimulate.. then this album succeeds far more than any progressive rock album ever made.

I am of the opinion that the simplistic story of "lyrics" are the problem. Folks want lyrics like Cliff Notes and Wiki, so they don't have to read anything, or learn anything. just know what it is about.

TFTO is online with many spiritual works, that when you read them, you spend a long time looking at it and you either appreciate the point of view and learn more, or you go back to get drunk and stoned on sheepdip music, that tells you something, because you are too empty to imagine anything else!

I've said all along, it is the greatest single piece of work I have ever seen and appreciated in my life, and it is way up there with the title cut of YETI and a couple of other pieces. Even though it has lyrics, and I love them dearly, it is the completeness of it that is so strong, and so well done, that it is a shame that a drunkard's opinion has to factor and help separate the fans, and make it all worse. He was a part of it, and he should have appreciated it, and instead, he does not even have the guts to show/give us a different take on the piece of music, by coming up with new/different musical passages for it.

He is a typical high level college/university professor that thinks he knows his music and that makes him special! I'm tired of it! His solo stuff is middle class garbage!

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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I just love it when a long track starts as a fugue and ends as a reggae

I love when a song starts out one way, and finishes pretty much any way other than how it started TongueCool.

Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

I also think "World Record" is underrated. It's my #3 VdGG album (after "Pawn Hearts" and "H to He, Who Am The Only One"). It was also my first exposure to the music of VdGG.

Fantastic record. I, too, tend to forget about this one because of how it's bookended in their discography. Good catch!

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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

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Remember though that progressive rock in it's highest expression, and make no mistake.. this is it, is art. Art is supposed to be evaluated and reflected upon by each individual, and that is why this album has opinions ranging from.. the greatest musical work of the last 50 years to being on the top 10 list of worst albums ever made. If art and progressive rock are designed to provoke and stimulate.. then this album succeeds far more than any progressive rock album ever made.

I am of the opinion that the simplistic story of "lyrics" are the problem. Folks want lyrics like Cliff Notes and Wiki, so they don't have to read anything, or learn anything. just know what it is about.

TFTO is online with many spiritual works, that when you read them, you spend a long time looking at it and you either appreciate the point of view and learn more, or you go back to get drunk and stoned on sheepdip music, that tells you something, because you are too empty to imagine anything else!

I've said all along, it is the greatest single piece of work I have ever seen and appreciated in my life, and it is way up there with the title cut of YETI and a couple of other pieces. Even though it has lyrics, and I love them dearly, it is the completeness of it that is so strong, and so well done, that it is a shame that a drunkard's opinion has to factor and help separate the fans, and make it all worse. He was a part of it, and he should have appreciated it, and instead, he does not even have the guts to show/give us a different take on the piece of music, by coming up with new/different musical passages for it.

He is a typical high level college/university professor that thinks he knows his music and that makes him special! I'm tired of it! His solo stuff is middle class garbage!

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Camel Harbour of Tears is absolutely one of the group's best-ever albums, an opinion that doesn't seem to be shared by many.
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I thought of another, Crisis? What Crisis? by Supertramp. Not quite as good as Crime but I don't think there's a weak track on that album
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Originally posted by uduwudu uduwudu wrote:

A recent lyrical concepts poll has Yes' Topographic Oceans trailing. Don't know why but it is. Maybe a poll with say 90125 would be interesting (lyrics wise). Thankfully I trust site users to be honest rather than playing fanboy politics  - that is really good.

Most bands and albums are underrated. All overrated mean is someone disagrees with a majority view. They can still be underrated.

As good and great as ELP were (Welcome Back is defining)... they had one slight flaw and that was song writing. As much as Keith Emerson could conjure up his masterpieces they still need a decent tune - which happens but this is where Yes and Genesis manage to nudge ahead. Genesis were a band of song writers and Yes had Jon Anderson with a little help from his chums. But frankly only Jon can really write good songs (until Trevor Rabin showed up). The others' material exist very well in prog land but not outside it.

Greg Lake could put together some songs . I had an album of his the one he did with Gary Moore - the openers of each side were killer - the rest... disappointing. Still, ELP played to their strengths. Works 2 a is a great example of an underrated album. Where do you get band with so much versatility? As performers of virtuoso music with out compare (love that 1997 Montreux DVD)...

Not sure Hendrix would have fitted in: Steve Howe would have been in interesting fixture.

HELP might have been a funny acronym but not as funny as the possibility of David Coverdale joining Lord, Ashton and Paice. Which he didn't - I think for that reason...


 

That Greg Lake album - the opener on Side One 'Nuclear Attack' was actually a Gary Moore song! But if you want to swap that for It Hurts (one of Lake's best songs) then fair enough on the point you are making.

It's a shame that Ride The Tiger never really got off the ground. That was an interesting collaboration between Lake and Geoff Downes. There is a mini LP that is worth checking out but they only did a handful of songs. The track Money Talks was re-worked for the ELP -Black Moon album and called Paper Blood btw.

Did you really mean Works 2 and not Volume One? Keith Emerson's Piano Concerto and Pirates are both brilliant while the Lake and Sinfield songs are interesting and varied. Palmer does a fair impression of Billy Cobham meets Buddy Rich on his solo side. The 2.75 rating or whatever it is could easily be 3.5 I believe although I truly understand why many (myself included) have just gone with the 3 out of 5 rating. When that happens the album average rating will always drag behind.

Yep Steve Howe and Keith Emerson had massive mutual respect. Emerson was interested in Howe replacing David O'List in The Nice before realising that he didn't really need another guitarist! I'm not sure that Howe working with ELP was ever a strong possibility which is a shame because it really would have worked.



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I just did a review of Merci, by Magma - the most underrated of underrated albums.
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Sticking with those under 4.0 that I think should be over:

Asia:
XXX

Crack the Sky:
Crack the Sky

Dream Theater:
Black Clouds and Silver Linings
Distance Over Time

Fates Warning: 
No Exit
Inside Out

Haken:
Affinity

Steve Howe:
Turbulence

Jethro Tull:
A
Crest of a Knave

Kansas:
Masque
Monolith
Power
In the Spirit of Things
Somewhere to Elsewhere

Moody Blues: 
In Search of the Lost Chord
On the Threshold of a Dream
A Question of Balance
Every Good Boy Deserves Favour
Seventh Sojourn
Long Distance Voyager

Rush:
Fly by Night
Signals
Hold Your Fire
Power Windows
Roll the Bones
Clockwork Angels

Spock's Beard
The Light
Snow

Yes:
Tales from Topographic Oceans
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Originally posted by progmatic progmatic wrote:

Camel Harbour of Tears is absolutely one of the group's best-ever albums, an opinion that doesn't seem to be shared by many.

I feel the same way about dust and dreams.
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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:


Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I just love it when a long track starts as a fugue and ends as a reggae

I love when a song starts out one way, and finishes pretty much any way other than how it started TongueCool.

I like how Gayle explained it about DJAM KARET ... they might start with an A or a B ... but it probably will end up in X, Y or Z!

If only most "progressive" folks would give that idea a thought or two, we might have less "songs" out there, and a heck of a lot more music!


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god that made my head hurt.. paybacks are hell..  thanks Pedro.. I probably earned that.
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Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

Sticking with those under 4.0 that I think should be over:


Kansas:
Masque

Spock's Beard
The Light
Snow

Yes:
Tales from Topographic Oceans

Definitely agree with these 4
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