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Cristi
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I was kidding. It's just funny how bands try to forget about music they created that they don't like anymore, or they are not proud about and so on. Like Moody Blues and Pantera, and I can name others...
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Psychedelic Paul
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^ It's good to see someone else agrees with me that Days of Future Passed is The Moody Blues first album.
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Cristi
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I don't agree. Fact: MB did an R&B album in 1965. They can't erase that.
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Psychedelic Paul
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I think Justin Hayward would rather airbrush that first Birmingham Beat album from The Moody Blues history, in just the same way as Patrick Moraz has been airbrushed out of the band's history.
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Cristi
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it's the alum of a young band. They moved to make more complex music, but I don't think there's something they should be ashamed about with that R & B record. Genesis is the same with FGTR. The album was still re-released several times. I have a double cd, with demos and alt-takes on cd 2. FGTR is more interesting than MB's debut though. The airbrushing of facts is a disturbing thing...
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Friso said: "I'd say that early Frank Zappa and Beatles did a lot to change the mindset of the times. Vanilla Fudge was instrumental in the heavy prog department. The Nice started the organ rock thing. I would also point to Procol Harum's 'In Held Was I' for the starting point of the prog epic."
I'm fairly convinced that The Mothers of Invention's Freak Out!, some of the Beatles albums that felt seemless, experimental, eclectic, and conceptual (e.g. Sgt. Pepper's, Magical Mystery Tour, and Abbey Road), and The Moody Blues' Days of Future Passed kind of set the stage and mood for what happened next (Pink Floyd, Larry Coryell, "In Held 'twas I", "In a gadda da vida", Music in a Doll's House, Eric Burden & War, King Crimson, etc.) But, as we all know here on PA, the real start to progressive rock was Miles Davis' Kind of Blue in 1959 (currently #28 on the PA Top 100 Prog Studio Albums of All-Time).
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Psychedelic Paul
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^ That could stir up a whole new Bitches Brew if you suggest Miles Davis' Kind of Blue was the first prog album.
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But it wasn't the start to progressive rock. It was just the first to make it into the Top 100. The first progressive rock album is actually Miles Davis' First Miles (1945). |
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Cristi
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From Jan 27, 2011: "Kind of Blue was, and still is, for me the finest jazz album I've ever heard. Probably cuz I'm a melody guy, a romantic, and a laid back late night music listener. For me this is without question or hesitation a five star album. Whether or not it belongs in the ProgArchives database is another issue . . . ." |
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Around that time everyone experimented so it depends on what is considered as Prog. If you consider 1966 Beatles as a start then Frank Zappa is equally fair. Miles Davis is hard to swallow as growing up during that time he was considered very progressive but in Jazz. Eric Burdon was thought of as Blues. Well if you have Progressive Jazz and Progressive Blues then why not I guess, except Burdon's War time started in 1970 so he is not a first. You are going to have to start throwing in bands like the Yardbirds. Goes back to the Progressive Pop question...does that exist! lol Wasn't it Caravan that first came up with the word Progressive Rock, maybe we are all just trying to drop squares into a round hole.
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I thought it started with a Bing Crosby album. |
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Psychedelic Paul
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I'm a Jazz lover too, and I'm proud to say Miles Davis' Kind of Blue has a treasured place in my CD collection.
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Hi, I was thinking that he was not as important to certain elements of "prog" as he was to a lot of elements in a lot of music. Jazz, Rock, and other musics, were influenced by his ability to fly off on his own, and yet ... the musical piece stood up and came off really well ... and the most important part of it, was that he was known to do this LIVE ... something that experimentalists don't always do ... and the idea of improvisation, in those days was ... incredible, specially to the Rock folks ... the music that at the time was the least improvisational of all (still is!!!) because of its "format" and continued stylings ... that prevent players from branching out, and instead just do a solo to impress the girls on the first row!
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Cristi
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I read somewhere Sinatra made a concept album. Is it true? What's it called if yes? Now all I heard from Sinatra was a coupe of greatest hits compilation and an album I bought because it had I Love New York in June and I loved The Fisher King movie.
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Psychedelic Paul
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Gene Kelly dipped his dancing toes into prog when he featured on ELO's Xanadu soundtrack album.
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Cristi
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Oh, God, what a train wreck of an album.
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Edited by SteveG - October 06 2020 at 08:52 |
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Wait! I know... it started with Hildegard of Bingen !! lol
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Psychedelic Paul
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In that case, you may be surprised to hear that Xanadu is my second favourite ELO album.
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