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Flaming Lips are amazing but they def not prog. Maybe prog pop in some cases.
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They are psych,prog,pop,rock,avant-garde.....just listen, listen, listen to their music, specially the stuff done 2007-2020, prog asf to me, more prog than any american "prog" band except Kansas and Happy The Man......

I find it amusing, people in here call them POP, well, dont lie, you have only heard "Do you Realize" or another song by them over-played. Thats like saying ELP isnt PROG at all based on ANY Greg Lake ballad.....
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Originally posted by zeb1981 zeb1981 wrote:

They are psych,prog,pop,rock,avant-garde.....just listen, listen, listen to their music, specially the stuff done 2007-2020, prog asf to me, more prog than any american "prog" band except Kansas and Happy The Man......

I find it amusing, people in here call them POP, well, dont lie, you have only heard "Do you Realize" or another song by them over-played. Thats like saying ELP isnt PROG at all based on ANY Greg Lake ballad.....
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I second this. Tongue

I'm pleased to report that Lips side-project Electric Würms have been added to Psych/Space.

I feel encouraged to finally submit the Lips proper to Psych or Related sometime this year, and if anyone here would like to help me construct the biography, that would be a gargantuan help.
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^ I voted yes for The Flaming Lips in Prog Related last November, and am glad to see Electric Würms in, which bolsters the case. I hope it goes well, and I can probably help (was thinking I might end up adding it before).
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ I voted yes for The Flaming Lips in Prog Related last November, and am glad to see Electric Würms in, which bolsters the case. I hope it goes well, and I can probably help (was thinking I might end up adding it before).


I'm pleasantly surprised to hear, and I'd love to collaborate with you and your enthusiastic expertise.
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GREAT to see so many people who have actually listened to the band agree they are one of the most important prog/psych/avant garde band of the last 20+ years. They have AT LEAST 5-6 albums that easily qualify for several sub-genres on prog archives. It's a big miss to not have them listed. 
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The only place i could possible see them is CROSSOVER


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@Mike: I've considered that, too, but some of their biggest and most outre releases have been those we'd classify as "EP/Fan Club", which feature 6- and 24-hour-long songs respectively that out-psych- and out-krautrock leagues of artists in those established subgenres.

Whether or not those titanic releases render the Lips eligible for an actual subgenre outside of Related might be a prime matter for discussion.

I don't mind if it's Xover, Psych or Related: their place is here, and as Victor Hugo said, we can't stop an idea whose time has come.

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^ experimental doesn't mean progressive

the overwhelming vast majority of their output would be considered progressive pop as far as this site is concerned

either crossover or prog related would be fine

they just aren't kraut enough for me (one EP isn't enough me thinks)


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^ It's not one EP, but 30 hours of music! I've listened to the Strobo Trip EP's 6 Hour Song / I Found a Star on the Ground in full (but not the full 24 hour long). Have you? That's about eight-nine albums (in length) material in one (out of the two) release, and my favorite six hours of music I've heard by the band. 360 minutes of fully fledged, brainmelting Psych/Spacerock (which we label Krautrock if it's from Germany) which alone more than qualifies. Your personal take on a lot of Krautrock (and other genres) as not prog or whatever - is too subjective or just non-representative and shouldn't be taken into consideration imo.
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Embryonic and The Terror are pure prog to me. The rest is power pop.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Embryonic and The Terror are pure prog to me. The rest is power pop.

People write the strangest things here. What on earth does the rest of The Flaming Lips discography have in common with Cheap Trick, Big Star and The Rasberries?
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

^ It's not one EP, but 30 hours of music! I've listened to the Strobo Trip EP's 6 Hour Song / I Found a Star on the Ground in full (but not the full 24 hour long). Have you? That's about eight-nine albums (in length) material in one (out of the two) release, and my favorite six hours of music I've heard by the band. 360 minutes of fully fledged, brainmelting Psych/Spacerock (which we label Krautrock if it's from Germany) which alone more than qualifies. Your personal take on a lot of Krautrock (and other genres) as not prog or whatever - is too subjective or just non-representative and shouldn't be taken into consideration imo.


Since i vote on the PSIKE team my opinion matters here. Sorry i'm not listening to a 24 hour long EP. I still haven't even heard their album Zareeka because i've never owned 4 CD players at once! I do own and have heard every single studio full-length album and i'm quite familiar with the Flaming Lips so i speak from years of experience not just a casual listen to an album or two. Let me repeat, I OWN EVERY FRIGGIN ALBUM (not EPs though.) Keep in mind some of our genres aren't meant to be all comprehensive. Here's a thought for you - NOT ALL KRAUTROCK IS PROGRESSIVE. We reject Kraut bands all the time if they aren't progressive Krautrock. If they end up on the PSIKE team i'll vote to move to Crossover. Simple as that. Like it or not.



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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ I voted yes for The Flaming Lips in Prog Related last November, and am glad to see Electric Würms in, which bolsters the case. I hope it goes well, and I can probably help (was thinking I might end up adding it before).

I'd vote for The Flaming Lips under Prog Related too, on the grounds that the closely-related band Mercury Rev are already here under Prog Related - not that my vote counts for anything here. Tongue

Do You Realize The Flaming Lips have been suggested for inclusion here more than any other band? Wink

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

^ It's not one EP, but 30 hours of music! I've listened to the Strobo Trip EP's 6 Hour Song / I Found a Star on the Ground in full (but not the full 24 hour long). Have you? That's about eight-nine albums (in length) material in one (out of the two) release, and my favorite six hours of music I've heard by the band. 360 minutes of fully fledged, brainmelting Psych/Spacerock (which we label Krautrock if it's from Germany) which alone more than qualifies. Your personal take on a lot of Krautrock (and other genres) as not prog or whatever - is too subjective or just non-representative and shouldn't be taken into consideration imo.


Since i vote on the PSIKE team my opinion matters here. Sorry i'm not listening to a 24 hour long EP.
I know. And sometimes I think it's unfortunate. 

-I asked if you had listened to the 6 hour long track. You can listen to as little as you like, but you're not entitled to an opinion to what you haven't listened to.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

^ It's not one EP, but 30 hours of music! I've listened to the Strobo Trip EP's 6 Hour Song / I Found a Star on the Ground in full (but not the full 24 hour long). Have you? That's about eight-nine albums (in length) material in one (out of the two) release, and my favorite six hours of music I've heard by the band. 360 minutes of fully fledged, brainmelting Psych/Spacerock (which we label Krautrock if it's from Germany) which alone more than qualifies. Your personal take on a lot of Krautrock (and other genres) as not prog or whatever - is too subjective or just non-representative and shouldn't be taken into consideration imo.


Since i vote on the PSIKE team my opinion matters here. Sorry i'm not listening to a 24 hour long EP.
I know. And sometimes I think it's unfortunate. 

-I asked if you had listened to the 6 hour long track. You can listen to as little as you like, but you're not entitled to an opinion to what you haven't listened to.

Nope and i won't be. But i'm certainly aware of it.

According to RYM with a current number of 480 ratings by users STROBO TRIP's primary tags are neo-psychedelia, experimental rock, experimental, post-rock

Secondary tags are krautrock, ambient, noise rock, jam band, spoken word, noise, drone, post-rock, electronic, space rock revival, psychedelic rock

Out of all that NOTHING sounds progressive to me. I don't even find all post-rock progressive and personally never would've ever added it to a progressive rock website but that's another matter.

So just from a quick inference of the users who usually get it right when it reaches a few hundred votes on RYM, this one small example may technically qualify for inclusion but considering krautrock is only a secondary consideration at best, it's not enough for me.

Let me say this one more time, certain categories on PA are not meant to be all inclusive. This includes Jazz-fusion and many styles on PSIKE. Considering this sole EP is very much an anomaly in the Lips' greater canon, it's not enough IMHO to qualify them for anything.

I stick to my stance that crossover at best as prog but prog related would be great too.

After all Judas Priest had one prog album but it wasn't quite prog enough to include a rather straight forward heavy metal band. This is why we have teams to determine these borderline cases.

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^ I only discuss a band at a time and never claimed that any genre or category should be «all inclusive». That would be weird. Just as weird as some of the takes you have on Krautrock, Postrock and some of the bands that are already represented here - in those sub genres.

-There's similar genre-labeling on RYM in regards in regards to many bands/artists that are also on PA - and which I think have a natural place here. There was no need to copy and paste those tags, as I've already seen them. As long as you don't listen I'm not interested in your uninformed opinion. Obviously.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

^ I only discuss a band at a time and never claimed that any genre or category should be «all inclusive». That would be weird. Just as weird as some of the takes you have on Krautrock, Postrock and some of the bands that are already represented here - in those sub genres.

Why is it all about YOU? I'm simply citing the site's policy in determining evaluation on these genres. If post-rock wants to evaluate a six hour EP then let them go for it. I'm a volunteer on four teams and i'm NOT GOING TO LISTEN TO A SIX HOUR EP FOR AN EVULUATION!!!!

-There's similar genre-labeling on RYM in regards in regards to many bands/artists that are also on PA - and which I think have a natural place here. There was no need to copy and paste those tags, as I've already seen them. 

Once again, why do you think i posted those for YOU? I posted them so everyone else on who is reading this can have another perspective. Believe it or not, everyone is not aware of RYM. Believe it or not others are reading this and i'm explaining it for them.

As long as you don't listen I'm not interested in your uninformed opinion. Obviously.

You have the propensity of equating NOT AGREEING with NOT LISTENING. I heard you loud and clear and i disagree with you.

And for the record I AM NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR COMMENTARY, OPINIONS OR ANYTHING REALLY.

So if you're not interested in my opinion then stop responding to my comments and you won't have to read them otherwise keep posting and i'll keep responding. 

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I may be missing context, but the quoting plus code appears a little muddled, but just a point, while what is deemed Krautrock from Germany may not be considered Prog, when its listed as an element in terms of style/genre and/or influence for (thinking particularly about ones not in Germany), I don't know of cases where that does not refer to the kinds of music we consider Krautrock at PA. Bands like Can, Neu!, Harmonia, Cluster, Kraftwerk, Faust....

As for an album with the primary tags of neo-psychedelia, experimental rock, experimental, post-rock and secondary tags being krautrock, ambient, noise rock, jam band, spoken word, noise, drone, post-rock, electronic, space rock revival, psychedelic rock, not only does that scream that I should listen to the album based on my interests, but that it might well be considerable for Prog Archives addition.

We have two yes votes for the Flaming Lips in Prog Related now, by the way.

Reactions to The Flaming Lips have been kind of weird and I think quite ignorant since I have seen at the time of Embryonic being released that The Flaming Lips has "nothing" to do with Prog. Nothing? Really? No relations whatsoever?

PS Mercury Rev is cool.
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Do You Realize The Flaming Lips have been suggested for inclusion here more than any other band? Wink


Interesting, I would think someone like Funkadelic would be suggested more..
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