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OpethGuitarist 
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 Posted: September 05 2006 at 03:08 |
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the "real" 6 in chronological order(based on when they became "big") starting from the 90's.
Dream Theater
Tool
Opeth
Sigur Ros
The Mars Volta
Riverside
Just outside are Radiohead(who are by far the biggest, but generally are not considered "prog" by the vast majority of people. I would call them prog-related moreso than anything). Also outside is Porcupine Tree and Pain of Salvation as being close but not quite.
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back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums
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CryoftheCarrots
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 03:52 |
Dream Theater
Tool
Porcupine Tree
The Mars Volta
Radiohead
Sigur Ros
special commendation to POS,Riverside,Muse,GYBE,Ozric Tentacles.
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"There is a lot in this world to be tense and intense about"
MJK
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 04:46 |
And CYNIC were is it in your lists?
CYNIC is very innovative and popular for the Metalheads in the World. This Jazz Death Ambient Prog Metal is the original mix of Mahavishnu Orchestra (and Santana's "Caravanserai" album) with Death.
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fuxi
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 11:58 |
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I absolutely agree with mccrank_yeahrig!
i.e.
I've been listening to prog (especially symphonic prog) since 1975, but I couldn't care less about prog metal.
Earlier this year, however, I discovered the Tangent, Wobbler and Anekdoten - and I was BLOWN AWAY!
The Mars Volta, of course, aren't bad either.
Plus, there's Kenso and Shinsekai, from Japan: first-rate symphonic bands, with a strong Canterbury influence.
(I don't dislike the Flower Kings or Spock's Beard, but their lead singers invariable get on my nerves...)
Happy days are here again!
Love,
Fuxi
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BePinkTheater
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 12:01 |
I think if were gonna go with a modern list of the most important bands in mondern prog it would have to be this
(in no order)
Tool
Porcupine Tree
The Marz Volta (although I hate them)
Dream Theater
The Flower Kings
Sigur Ros.
Those are the really big ones, IMO.
Edited by BePinkTheater - September 05 2006 at 12:02
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I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
-Stone Beard
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aapatsos
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 12:39 |
speaking for prog metal (I am more familiar with this)
80's start
1. DT
2. Queensryche
3. Fates Warning
90's start
4. Opeth
5. Pain of Salvation
6. Tool
well other bands could be Shadow Gallery, Symphony X (not at top 6, although personal favourites)
I can't see Mars Volta with just two releases (ok, 3...) being in top 6
other big ones from neo prog could be IQ, Arena and Marillion
and of course Porcupine Tree and maybe Spock's Beard
Edited by aapatsos - September 05 2006 at 12:41
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Badabec
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 12:55 |
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1.) Opeth
2.) The Mars Volta
3.) Porcupine Tree
4.) Dream Theater
5.) Sigur Ros
6.) Blind Guardian
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Mesmo a tristeza da gente era mais bela
E além disso se via da janela
Um cantinho de céu e o Redentor
- Antônio Carlos Jobim, Toquinho & Vinícius de Moraes - Carta ao Tom 74
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philippe
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 13:06 |
I'm not really into it but here are nice, sincere bands and artists
Omit
Luigi Archetti
Lamp of Universe
Bequeen
Amps for Christ
Ghost
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BebieM
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 13:49 |
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^ haven't heard a single one of those ...... what are they like?
Sigur Ros, Anglagard and GSYBE are the only ones of your lists that can compete with the 70s.
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Syzygy
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 14:04 |
 Liquid Len wrote:
MajesterX wrote:
DT basically invented prog metal next to Fate's Warning and Queensryche. If that's not innovative, i'd like to hear your definition. |
I thought that 'honour' belonged to Rush! |
Neil Peart always wanted to be Rush's drummer, so in 1973 he built a time machine (everybody knows he's the brainy one in Rush) and went into the early 90s to find out what future trends would be. He found himself at a DT concert and took copious notes: "combine shrill vocals, heavy riffs, a few synth flourishes, obscure sci fi concepts - and hey, get a load of that drumkit! must get twin bass drums as soon as possible - and aim for a Yes/heavy metal hybrid. The kids will love it"
Returning to 1970s Canada he met up with Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson, showed them the lyrics to By Tor and the Snow Dog and explained the basic concept of 2112 and said that if they got rid of John Rutsey they could all be rich. Lee and Lifeson agreed, and basing their 1970s outpust on ideas that Dream Theater would originally have the following decade they cleaned up with albums like 2112, A Farewell To Kings and Moving Pictures.
Unfortunately for the sinister Canadian trio, Peart (who'd disguised himself as a janitor) had been witnessed using his time machine by four young people and a dog with an amusing speech impediment who travelled around in a psychedelic VW camper van, but they'd have got away with it if it wasn't for those darned kids!
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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Prog-jester
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Posted: September 06 2006 at 07:51 |
IMHO,Anglagard is a New Symphonic band - maybe,the most talented of all New Symph bands,but not more innovative than PT or TMV
DREAM THEATER INNOVATIVE?Ha-ha-ha!!! 
Sorry,I love these guys,but to call them innovative...Same goes to MARILLION - I bloody adore them,but...they're NOT innovative,unique or revolutionary sounding
IMHO,surely
Modern Prog's Big 6 for me:
TOOL
PORCUPINE TREE
OPETH
THE MARS VOLTA
GYBE
PAATOS (has anyone mentioned them?)
ANEKDOTEN is close too,but they're TOO influenced by KC.RIVERSIDE is a Modern-Prog clones - they're sounding exactly like mix of all these bands,mainly OPETH,TOOL and PORCUPINE TREE,with touch of neo-prog.
Also I don't consider RADIOHEAD or MUSE to be prog at all 
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decypher
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Posted: September 06 2006 at 09:29 |
OpethGuitarist wrote:
See - Watchtower - the inventors of prog metal, they are on the site.
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Definitely - plus bands like Hades, Mercyful Fate/King Diamond, Voivod, Mekong Delta, Sieges Even who all were very influential at that time. (and of course as already mentioned Fates Warning and Queensryche) DT were one of the earlier prog metal bands with a keyboarder equal to the rest but "inventors" of prog metal? No.
Edited by decypher - September 06 2006 at 09:30
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Rocktopus
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Posted: September 06 2006 at 11:19 |
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'BIG', and atleast a little innovative:
Radiohead (Post Ok Computer they defenetly are innovative)
Mr. Bungle (Can't help it. In my mind I include both Secret Chiefs 3 and Fantomas)
Opeth
The Mars Volta
Tortoise (not big here, but bigger than Riverside out in the real world)
Tool
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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zFrogs
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Posted: September 06 2006 at 16:17 |
Prog Metal:
Queensryche - first EP - 1983 (traditional heavy metal); first album - 1984 (prog metal) = The Warning
Fates Warning - first album 1984 (tradicional heavy metal); second album - 1985 (prog metal) = The Spectre Within
Watchtower - first album - 1985 (prog metal) = Energetic Disassembly
Crimson Glory - first album - 1986 (prog metal) = Crimson Glory
Voivod - first album - 1984 (thrash metal); third album - 1987 (prog metal) = Killing Technology
Dream Theater - first album - 1989 (prog metal) = When Dream and Day Unite
OpethGuitarist wrote:
See - Watchtower - the inventors of prog metal, they are on the site.
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lunaticviolist
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Posted: September 06 2006 at 16:38 |
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Mars Volta
Tool
Radiohead
Muse
Porcupine Tree
Flower Kings
Of the modern prog genres, New Prog, Prog Metal, and Post Rock are
pretty well known. Neo-prog isn't really well-known, but the
Flower Kings deserve a spot on the Big 6.
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Rocktopus
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Posted: September 06 2006 at 17:12 |
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Invented prog-metal? Some bands sometime in the 80's started playing the way prog sounded when it was hard n' heavy in the 70's. And did it in all their songs, all the time. That's not an invention, or innovative.
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BePinkTheater
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Posted: September 06 2006 at 17:44 |
look. I think people are getting caught up witht his Innovation/Invention thing...
We aren't looking for the 'best' mondern bands. We're looking for the biggest and most important.
Look at the"Big 5" classic prog bands...
Pink Floyd
Jethro Tull
Genesis
Yes
King Crimson
Expecially JT and PF. I love those bands imensely, but its not like they did anything more innovative than DT. But no one questions their placement in that catagory.
Dream Theater, love 'em, hate 'em..it doesnt matter. They are extremly important to modern prog. They made the genre of Prog Metal what it is today, and brought many new fans ans bands into the Progressive world (myself included...)
I think it would be foolish not to include them.
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I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
-Stone Beard
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BePinkTheater
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Posted: September 06 2006 at 17:46 |
lunaticviolist wrote:
Mars Volta
Tool
Radiohead
Muse
Porcupine Tree
Flower Kings
Of the modern prog genres, New Prog, Prog Metal, and Post Rock are pretty well known. Neo-prog isn't really well-known, but the Flower Kings deserve a spot on the Big 6.
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not to be a ball buster, but the way you phrased that, it sounded like you were calling The Flower Kings a Neo-Prog band...
They really aren't. They are listed here under Symphonic Prog, and I think that is quite fitting.
But it doesn't really matter.
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I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
-Stone Beard
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Figglesnout
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 17:39 |
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It's nice seeing bands like "Mr. Bungle" mentioned but aren't we forgetting that Mr. Bungle is no longer a band...?
Let's make sure the entries exist =)
The msot solid artists I've gotte nso far are:
Porcupine Tree, Opeth, The mars Volta, Dream Theater, Tool, Pain of Salvation, and some neo-prog...
Also let's keep in mind that my idea of modern is bands that began at the earliest in the late 80s but are still around today creating innovative, progressive music.
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I'm a reasonable man, get off my case
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aapatsos
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 20:34 |
zFrogs wrote:
Prog Metal:
Queensryche - first EP - 1983 (traditional heavy metal); first album - 1984 (prog metal) = The Warning
Fates Warning - first album 1984 (tradicional heavy metal); second album - 1985 (prog metal) = The Spectre Within
Watchtower - first album - 1985 (prog metal) = Energetic Disassembly
Crimson Glory - first album - 1986 (prog metal) = Crimson Glory
Voivod - first album - 1984 (thrash metal); third album - 1987 (prog metal) = Killing Technology
Dream Theater - first album - 1989 (prog metal) = When Dream and Day Unite
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I definitely agree with your list
but Fates Warning and Queensryche were before Watchtower, so how can Watchtower have invented prog-metal before them?
and also, Queensryche's Warning and Rage for order and Fates Warning early albums are not just traditional, prog is there
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"Modern Prog" Big 6
DT basically invented prog metal next to Fate's Warning and Queensryche. If that's not innovative, i'd like to hear your definition. 