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baldy flapstick
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 09:54 |
owenrees82 wrote:
I agree that Pink Floyd are a huge influence on much
of today's rock music. I simply find them boring, and that is merely a
personal opinion. Dave Gilmour is a great guitarist with bags of feel,
but they still don't do it for me.
I
apologise if I offended you, but it really is only an opinion based
upon their music and how it relates to me. It is in no way a comment
denying their influence on us all.
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Apology accepted but I will still point out again that this thread was
for "what's the worst" not "which do you not like". Very different
things. I recommend that you always use the phrase "In My Opinion" in
the future to avoid responses such as mine in the future. Have fun on
here!
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owenrees82
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 10:00 |
In which case I would also like to point out that everything is simply an opinion. By someone saying that an album is 'the worst', this is merely their own view point, even if a number of people agree. Maybe someone else happens to like that 'rubbish' album, and to them it is great. For example (as I sure you will agree), Britney Spear's music aren't the most outstanding compositions (although produced very well), although many people, and proabably more than are fans of Yes, would say that her music is great.
Im not trying to be annoying, it just comes naturally. At the end of day, difference in opinions are what makes the world go round.
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Atomic_Rooster
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 10:40 |
One of the worst albums made in my opinion is Marillion's Misplaced Childhood I loved Script, but Misplaced Childhood is a horrible fusion of unrefined neo-prog and 80's pop ballads (Kayleigh  ). This seems to be a much less focused piece of work and the concept is very much bare bones. Despite what people say, most of the melodies are not very captivating and the guitars are unimpressive.
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I am but a servant of the mighty Fripp, the sound of whose loins shall forever be upon the tongues of his followers.
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jalas
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 13:02 |
I like to be fair and respectful to people's opinions on what they like, so I will not criticize to harshly. I will simply just tell the Truth:
Fripp/Eno-Equatorial Stars. It seems like Fripp and Eno were trying to sound like Tangerine Dream. It doesn't work for me though. The CD got to track 8 and I didn't even notice. Here is what the entire CD sounds like: WWWAAAHHHHHOOOOWWWWHHHHAAAAAAAAOOOOOWWWWHAOOWHAAAAAAA...
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Tenth Chaffinch
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 14:25 |
Why are people so afraid to say worst and best. It's all just opinion anyways. Saying things are the worst makes for excellent debate, and arguments can be supported with facts and feelings from all sides. Dont be such wusses.
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baldy flapstick
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 18:42 |
owenrees82 wrote:
In which case I would also like to point out that
everything is simply an opinion. By someone saying that an album is
'the worst', this is merely their own view point, even if a number of
people agree. Maybe someone else happens to like that 'rubbish' album,
and to them it is great. For example (as I sure you will agree),
Britney Spear's music aren't the most outstanding compositions
(although produced very well), although many people, and proabably more
than are fans of Yes, would say that her music is great.
Im
not trying to be annoying, it just comes naturally. At the end of
day, difference in opinions are what makes the world go round.
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I take on board and agree with most of this but everything is not just
about opinions. Some things can be measured. Like is the drummer
playing in time, is the singer singing in tune etc. In all the albums
of theirs I have heard, Pink Floyd's Nick Mason has never played out of
time. Nothing on their albums sounds intrinsically wrong for a
measurable reason. Sure plenty of people may not like it, but no-one
could say it is badly played. Roger Waters voice may not be the
greatest but to my ear he doesn't sing out of tune.
Musicians do grades to measure their ability. The examiner is there to
precisely measure the ability of the player to see if they play in tune
and in time. Then there is musicality which is very open to the
interpretation of the examiner. The same applies with all arts subjects
and language. Is the spelling good, is the grammar correct and then
comes the interpretation part and the overall use of language which is
subjective.
The albums I nominated, especially Realm and The Field I did so because
there are times on these albums where the drummer is not in time, the
singing is desperately off key, the guitar run has the wrong number of
notes in it for it to be played in time and finish the bar with the
rest of the band.
These are measurably bad things and for most people would be very
noticable and would put you off listening to an album. The quality of
composition is almost entirely subjective but the quality of
performance can be objective up to a point.
It is fine by me for you to dislike Pink Floyd and to think they are
boring, I don't have a problem with that at all. I just cannot believe
that you can justify saying that Shine On You Crazy Diamond is bad.
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prog4evr
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Posted: November 04 2006 at 06:41 |
baldy flapstick wrote:
I've seen a
thread for worst bands on here ( which seemed to go off the point
rather quickly) but haven't seen one for worst albums or songs...
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I've already stated my two on another forum: 'Point of Know Return' by Kansas, and 'Asia' by Asia.
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The Whistler
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Posted: November 05 2006 at 00:53 |
(looks left, looks right)
Close to the Edge.
(flees)
Edited by The Whistler - November 05 2006 at 00:53
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"There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson
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Drew
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Posted: November 05 2006 at 04:59 |
Tenth Chaffinch wrote:
Why are people so afraid to say worst and best. It's all just opinion anyways. Saying things are the worst makes for excellent debate, and arguments can be supported with facts and feelings from all sides. Dont be such wusses. |
AGREED
and with that: (of what I own)
Savatage- Dead Winer Dead
and Mind's Eye- Walking in H20
close behind is Nursery Cryme 
Edited by Drew - November 05 2006 at 04:59
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octopus-4
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Posted: November 06 2006 at 04:12 |
Hi all, I think that "the worst" is in general the worst album of your favourite bands, the one that left you a big delusion. For me, Caravan's "Back to Front", or YES "Big Generator" are in this list.
I've seen one of you mentioned GTR, and I agree, but again, it's because from the two Steves you can expect much more.
About the songs, Camel's "Remote Romance" and Mostly Autumn's "The king's return" are very poor. The first is a failed experiment and the second was just to fill an album when Josh ran out of ideas.
I'm mentioning those songs because Camel and Mostly Autumn are in my top 10 bands.
p.s. - I can't find anything bad in the Pink Floyd's production.
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stewe
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Posted: November 06 2006 at 08:23 |
Very subjective indeed.. Big Generator is one of their finest imo (crisp production, diverse great ideas and songwriting, excellent sound and musician's performance).. I put it alongside Relayer, Fragile, CTTE, Talk..
I'm not into Pendragon much, I find them cheesy too, and quite agree with Pursuit of Excellence..
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epifreak
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Posted: November 06 2006 at 11:58 |
Hmm....Opeth - Orchid is pretty bad. It wouldn't be that bad if it weren't for the hideous excuse for production they used on that. I spent $300 on some digital recording equipment and am running it on my personal computer, and I sound better than that.
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