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smithers 
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 Posted: November 08 2006 at 04:46 |
 The Whistler wrote:
Well, Stormwatch is good and all, but every true Tuller knows that Heavy Horses is...the end. It's the last "true Tull" album, seeing as how all the members were actually present. In fact, when you listen to the (heavy) intro of Heavy Horses (song), it's like Ian is saying, "Okay, this is the last run lads. Let's make it really count."
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I'm a true Tull fan who has every single song on cd and you are very wrong. To say Tull ended at Heavy Horses is what a half Tull fan would believe. I can gaurantee you that Tull had as many great songs in 1979 as they did in 1978. North sea oil, Dun ringill and Crossword are 3 of my favorite Tull songs of all time. Just like Rover, Acres wild and Mouse police are some of my all time fave Tull songs. No lullaby and Dark ages are both fine epics. Orion and One brown mouse are both fine acoustics. A sticth in time, Elegy and Kelpie are just as cool as Moths, Beltane and Blues instrumental. Don't just look at the albums, look at all the songs. Tull had classic songs on A, classic songs in 1982, a couple of Crest, some on Dotcom, some on Roots, some in 1991. Tull have never dropped off the pace
Edited by smithers - November 08 2006 at 04:48
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smithers
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Posted: November 08 2006 at 22:44 |
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I remember you saying you don't like A either. Crazy man ;)
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The Whistler
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Posted: November 09 2006 at 02:48 |
Nah, A is "okay." It's just that side 2 cannot live up to side 1, which wasn't exactly classic to start with.
And I'm also not calling Stormwatch a bad album. It's just...I dunno. Dun Ringhill is a great ole Tull song, but when you hit Stormwatch, that's honestly the end of the old Tull. My boy Johnny Glascock isn't even on half the tracks.
But Heavy Horses still ranks, in my oftentimes (it seems) mistaken opine, as the last overpowering Tull album. But I own nothing past Catfish, and no other albums from the "heavy metal" period. Unless you count Rupi's Dance...
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Posted: November 09 2006 at 08:56 |
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Two obvious Tull fans and neither of you mention Flying Dutchman when discussing Stormwatch :-0 I am stunned. To this Tull fan it's one of their finest moments!!!!
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Posted: November 09 2006 at 09:15 |
Very good, but not quite up to Tull's highest standards
Essential for any true fan. 
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smithers
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Posted: November 09 2006 at 17:25 |
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Flying dutchman is a good song, but I'm not usually in the mood to listen to it. It's probably the equal of the song Heavy horses. Both have their moments but can be a bit slow in parts. I pretty much prefer all other Stormwatch and Heavy horses era songs over both of these tunes. North sea oil, Crossword and Dun ringill are great songs for me from 1979. Just perfect little rock songs with a touch of prog in each :)
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The Whistler
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Posted: November 09 2006 at 19:40 |
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No, no... Dark Ages is like Heavy Horses, and Flying Dutchman is like Pibroch. As it stands, I prefer Ages and Horses to both, but Horses is the best of that lot.
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smithers
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Posted: November 09 2006 at 21:35 |
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No. Dark ages is like No lullaby and Pibroch. All 3 are slow heavy style epics. Flying dutchman and Heavy horses are like traditional English sounding epics
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 07:55 |
smithers wrote:
Flying dutchman is a good song, but I'm not usually in the mood to listen to it. It's probably the equal of the song Heavy horses. Both have their moments but can be a bit slow in parts. I pretty much prefer all other Stormwatch and Heavy horses era songs over both of these tunes. North sea oil, Crossword and Dun ringill are great songs for me from 1979. Just perfect little rock songs with a touch of prog in each :) |
Wow Smithers - Heavy Horses is another of my favourite Tull tracks! Gorgeous lyrics and Ian's vocals on this track are sublime!!! Probably my favourite vocal performance on any album. When he sings
"Let me find me a filly for your proud standing steed'' and the line "To hide you from eyes that mock at your girth" it's aural ecstasy for this fan!!!!!LOL
My other favourites on Heavy Horses are Moths, Acres Wild and Rover.
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smithers
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 17:06 |
Acres wild and Rover are awesome. So is Mouse police. No lullaby, One brown mouse and Moths are also very cool. But the title song Heavy horses sounds a little bit too English country. Ians voice in the slow parts sounds a bit strange(he almost sounds like he's 50 years old) and the lyrics are a bit too traditional and romantic. But I love this song live, It sounds heavy, Ian sings cleaner, more guitar, more hammond organ, more bass improvisation. Have you heard the awesome version from 1979 Watchers of the storm? Here's a pretty good version from 1980s slipstream, but the 1979 is better.
Edited by smithers - November 10 2006 at 17:09
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Posted: November 12 2006 at 08:30 |
smithers wrote:
To say Tull ended at Heavy Horses is what a half Tull fan would believe. |
Well folks, there's some good stuff on BROADSWORD, and I really enjoy CREST OF A KNAVE - in spite of the Dire Straits rip-offs and the drum machines! 
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Posted: November 12 2006 at 08:36 |
Asyte2c00 wrote:
I think Stand Up s the hidden gem regarding Tull albums.
No one really ventures there becasue it was during their blues-folk period before the became prog.
This Was commendable effort, shoddy production, inconsistent thoguh, definitely shows potential.
Stand Up - solid Blues Folk album, Terrific Record, Consisten throughout.
Benefit - Sadly, i could never listen to this is one sitting. Surprising, its more accessible than other tull records, like A Passion Play, but yeah, pretty lifeless, A dry run a Aqualung just as many say Obscured by Clouds was a dry run fro Dark Side of the Moon
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I first got to know Tull in this order (way back in 1975):
1. WARCHILD (which had then just appeared)
2. BENEFIT (which I have always loved, and still do)
3. A PASSION PLAY and AQUALUNG (id.)
I also enjoy THIS WAS, just because it sounds so rough! And its bonus tracks are wonderful.
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smithers
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Posted: November 14 2006 at 02:39 |
fuxi wrote:
Asyte2c00 wrote:
I think Stand Up s the hidden gem regarding Tull albums.
No one really ventures there becasue it was during their blues-folk period before the became prog.
This Was commendable effort, shoddy production, inconsistent thoguh, definitely shows potential.
Stand Up - solid Blues Folk album, Terrific Record, Consisten throughout.
Benefit - Sadly, i could never listen to this is one sitting. Surprising, its more accessible than other tull records, like A Passion Play, but yeah, pretty lifeless, A dry run a Aqualung just as many say Obscured by Clouds was a dry run fro Dark Side of the Moon
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I first got to know Tull in this order (way back in 1975):
1. WARCHILD (which had then just appeared)
2. BENEFIT (which I have always loved, and still do)
3. A PASSION PLAY and AQUALUNG (id.)
I also enjoy THIS WAS, just because it sounds so rough! And its bonus tracks are wonderful.
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The bonus tracks on warchild are like the makings of a propper tull album of 1974, while the original tracks are purposely written for a movie. The 7 bonus tracks are the best songs on the whole cd almost. Same with This Was and Benefit, the best songs on each cd are mainly the bonus tracks. Mainly because they were the bands classic singles from 1968 and 1970. The same can be said for Stand up. Once again the classic singles are the bonus tracks and are the best songs on the cd
Edited by smithers - November 14 2006 at 02:41
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The Whistler
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Posted: November 14 2006 at 02:45 |
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Wha--?!? You didn't like We Used to Know?!?
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smithers
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Posted: November 14 2006 at 03:11 |
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We used to know isn't bad, a bit simplish but good. Look into the sun is great though. Check your pm's Whistler ;)
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Posted: November 14 2006 at 03:19 |
And what about the Bouree? Hmm? HMMM?
(careful now; you'll spoil my reputation as the world's only die-hard Tuller who doesn't own Aqualung)
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smithers
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Posted: November 14 2006 at 06:09 |
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Bouree isn't too bad. A bit old fashioned, but good. The best songs on Stand up are Look into the sun and Jeffrey goes to Leicester square ;) Love em
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bundy
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Posted: November 14 2006 at 08:01 |
smithers wrote:
Bouree isn't too bad. A bit old fashioned, but good. The best songs on Stand up are Look into the sun and Jeffrey goes to Leicester square ;) Love em |
Not too bad???? That's an understatement!!!. You are a hard taskmaster my fellow Tull fan!
Best songs on Standup? - For a Thousand Mothers and Nothing is Easy.
One thing we agree on; great quartet of bonus tracks.
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Posted: November 14 2006 at 09:05 |
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'Stand Up' is a classic. One of Tull's best, and it puts their more recent output into perspective imo. I love 'Reasons For Waiting' on that album- the introduction with acoustic guitar and flute is the most beautiful thing they ever did.
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smithers
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Posted: November 14 2006 at 18:26 |
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For a thousand mothers is too messy for me and Nothing is easy is a good bluesy song, but slightly predictable ;)
Edited by smithers - November 14 2006 at 18:26
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