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Points: 6336 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2007 at 16:41
Originally posted by Sasquamo Sasquamo wrote:

His knowledge of rhythms and polyrhythm is almost definitely higher than that of Bruford, Portnoy, or Peart.  As far as technical skill goes, from what I've heard I think he's definitely better than Bruford, possibly better than Portnoy, and probably better than Peart in his earlier years, but not now after Peart really learned how to play well.  

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Did anyone hear know that Gavin Harrison toured with Renaissance? He auditioned along with a ton of people, but got in by default because he was the only to learn The Song of Scheherezade in it's entirety LOL
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Points: 7744 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2007 at 18:36
Originally posted by rushaholic rushaholic wrote:

I maybe need to add another drummer to my sig...


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Points: 1210 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2007 at 19:05
Originally posted by Shakespeare Shakespeare wrote:

Originally posted by rushaholic rushaholic wrote:

I maybe need to add another drummer to my sig...


And remove Bonham Tongue!


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Points: 912 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2007 at 19:25
Originally posted by Fight Club Fight Club wrote:

Did anyone hear know that Gavin Harrison toured with Renaissance? He auditioned along with a ton of people, but got in by default because he was the only to learn The Song of Scheherezade in it's entirety LOL
 
I've heard about that. The man has been involved in many different things: the collaboration with Jakko Jakszyk, some project called Dyzrhythmia (not to be mistaken for Dysrhythmia), an instrumental solo album (I think) and some dvd's of which I have the latest. It's indeed very instructive - he develops some very interesting and potentially useful concepts about interlocking rhythms played in odd time signatures... you know, things that are very prog and we drummers like to hear about. Smile Besides those things, I believe there's a large number of studio sessions that he's taken part in over the years, before joining PT (he's not exactly new in the business).
On a more personal note, he has been my main musical influence for the past year at least. I didn't even pay much attention to his playing at first, but with time, playing PT's latest records and playing the drums myself in parallel, I began noticing that I was unconsciously using similar "tricks" because they sounded great and seemed like the most elegant solutions in some contexts. His influence somehow seems to fit my own vocabulary very well and helps me to expand it further - at least that's how I feel. I'm particularly in love with his cymbal work (extremely fluid and colourful) and his tasteful, concise double bass drum solutions. The fact that the kit I play now is very similar to what he uses (Sonor drums, mostly Zildjian cymbals) is even nicer, because I can try some of his patterns and get a similar sound for them.
His playing is not immensely complicated (actually it is, but it's still discernible and approachable to an extent if you want to play it yourself), but he is extremely proficient and could get very nasty if he were to play in, say, some wild jazz fusion context. And, most importantly, he has style. He truly does, and he's come to play like no other drummer today.
 
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Give me great feel & placement over flash any day , I only like incredible chops on the drums in small doses  ..  which is why Phil Ehart from Kansas is my favorite drummer , that porcupine tree drummer is great !  he really is what I like , capable but restraint for the sake of the music. Peart is my text book to cutting edge drumming  , when I listen to Pearl I`m not doing so purely for entertainment value I`m studying him to make myself a better drummer. Bruford is very complex , try emulating him behind a kit  his attention to detail is amazing  there's much to Bruford's style that I admire mostly his counterpoint
Portnoy is a show of his own,   hes great  and his inspired so many younger drummers to raise the bar and rise up ...Copeland is in that special class  , not many drummers can be so complex and still maintain commercial success  , hes tasty  snappy  rock/reggae   Copelands  style seems to have inspired  Peart with songs like "Digital Man" being released  around the same period the Police were huge.

There`s some absolute freak drummers out there.. .  Smile

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Harrison is one of my favorites.  I'm no drummer, but I've seen a lot of videos of him and I really like what he does.  He's amazing at polyrythems but that doesn't get shown off much with PT.  It is cool that he doesn't show off, cause it shows that he cares about fitting in with the music and really adding to it a lot.

The drumming on "The Sound of Muzak" is maybe my favorite ever.
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Points: 166183 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2007 at 23:23
I think so. At least for me he moved into my top drummers list.
 
I still prefer Bruford, Collins, and maybe Palmer to him...but very impressive stuff all around. Smile
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Originally posted by Anguiad Anguiad wrote:

I am by no means a PT fan or drum expertise, yet I will pay more attention to this underrated drummer. I somehow believed the greatness of the Tree relied only on Mr. Wilson. Maybe I'll have to reconsider.

Another underrated drummer is Mark Zonder, though I can tell some of you do recognise his talent. His tempo styles are so weird and accurate!
I also agree that Martin Lopez from Opeth should be considered one of the best. As far as metal goes, he is outstanding.
Originally posted by FruMp FruMp wrote:

f you want good drummers then you can look no further than metal.

Do yourself a favour, grab a copy of unquestionable presence by Atheist and have a listen, I can guaranatee if you're listening for the drumming you'll be impressed within the first 20 seconds - jazzy as hell yet death metal.

This can be true. But not always. It tends to be so repetitive that jazz and progressive drumming seems more spicy to me. I don't know if it is better, but surely not as repetitive as metal.


That couldn't be further from the truth in this case, and anyway Atheist are a progressive band.
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IMO Gavin Harrison is a fantastic drummer with impeccable musical taste and an uncanny ability to play what suits the music around him (much like BB). I'm not a drummer son I can't rate his technique.
I don't know about "best ever", or "better than", I like his drumming almost as much as Bruford's and Peart's. Portnoy may be more skilled, fast and loud, but I'd definitely vote for Harrison in a one on one.
In terms of age, Bruford is near 60, Peart near 50, right? whereas Portnoy and Harrison are in their late thirties?? just thinking about generations and torches being passed...
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ALL OF YOU SAYING GAVIN DOESN'T DESERVE THE RESPECT THAT THE OTHER DRUMMERS MENTIONED HAVE...WATCH THESE, you WILL change your mind!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tzxn0WYkQ6o
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GTy_Bm0o3Ew
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVEFEpETaOM
 
Harrison with PT.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAzzQKwjK5s
 
Gavin playing cymbals.
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Points: 1210 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2007 at 20:55
Actually I did change my mind, he actually is as good as Phil Collins (Pig)
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Originally posted by PTguitarist PTguitarist wrote:

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Originally posted by PTguitarist PTguitarist wrote:

ALL OF YOU SAYING GAVIN DOESN'T DESERVE THE RESPECT THAT THE OTHER DRUMMERS MENTIONED HAVE...WATCH THESE, you WILL change your mind!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tzxn0WYkQ6o
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GTy_Bm0o3Ew


Man, those are awesome!!! There is so much more to drumming than speed. This guy has such a feel for rhythm and uses everything on his kit....but wisely. I've watched a ton of stuff like this...Bruford still impresses me the least.

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My personal favorite is The Professor Neil Peart (he plays in my favorite band and we share birthday! Smile). As an Opeth fanboy I'll miss Martin Lopez's groove and cymbal orchestration (and to think that I hated his entrance to this fantastic band Embarrassed On My Arms Yours Hearse because I blamed him for having changed Opeth's sound LOL And here I am ten years later missing his sound).
 
But these recent discoveries(thanks to internet): Gavin Harrison is a really talented drummer, his playing is very clear and accurate (Listen to Anesthetize or Mother And Child Divided for example). Zoltan Csörsz is another amazing drummer (His work with The Flower Kings and Karmakanic are awesome) On the other hand Morgan Ågren is really a drum freak and can really play weird time signatures http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWmFS_9fGRY as if nothing happened!!!
 
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