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Slartibartfast
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Posted: August 19 2009 at 09:35 |
Vibrationbaby wrote:
In his 2002 book he has quite a different tone. He actually was somewhat proud of being able to slip in the mini epic, Memiors Of An Officer And A Gentleman. It wasn`t a bad album. I guess if I review it it`ll end up in that reviews reporting thread. So I JUST WON`T BOTHER. What I suggest is that you guys read the damn book! There`s even some positive reviews on it on Amazon that I read this morning.
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I heard the album many years ago and have Memoirs in my Manticore box set. It is half the album after all and so probably redeems the album somewhat.  Although it's not quite on the level of Karn Evil 9 or Pirates.
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manofmystery
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Posted: August 19 2009 at 12:17 |
i will not post in negative threads
i will not post in negative threads
i will not post in negative threads
fully agree with The Final Cut though, absolutely awful
damnit
i will not post in negative threads again
i will not.....
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Finnforest
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Posted: August 19 2009 at 12:27 |
russellk wrote:
I rated The Final Cut with one star. Overwrought, uninspired, unsubtle, shout-or-whisper, hypocritical dross. But I think every prog lover should own it. |
Overwrought? I guess I don't understand the term, seems like their most down to earth title.
Uninspired? Hardly. Waters said that album meant more to him than most of the others, and I can hear that it does. Even Dave, in between his pouting, plays with great passion.
Shout/Whisper? Agree 100%. I hate that. Anytime I have to keep adjusting the volume, I could just strangle them. 
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BaldJean
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Posted: August 19 2009 at 12:36 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
See, as soon as you start a thread like this you will find people that actually like what you despise. So to offend some people for sure, I'm going to have to add this:

Lots of people rave about it. It just never really clicked with me. Still have it in my collection though.
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one of my favorite albums. the interplay between Hillage and Stewart is just great, the rhythm section is excellent too, and every odd rhythm up to 13/8 can be found on it. and the songs are good too. there are certainly better singers around than Hillage or Greenwood, but that detail bothers me in the least
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: August 19 2009 at 13:40 |
I`m listening to the Final Cut right now. Not now John is sung almost entirely by Gilmour Excellent track with the girlie chorus. I like the sonic boom at the beginning of Get Your Filthy Hands off My Desert. There`s also some great guitar work from Gilmour on tracks like The Fletcher Memorial Home. I gave it a 3 star rating back in 2004 and I think I`ll stick with it. I like putting the headphones on for this one. Impeccably produced. Slartibartfast has a good point above. Bring up a topic like this and find out that there are people out there that one person`s junk is another one`s treasure. I even wrote a three star review for Love beach this morning. So there!  .
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russellk
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Posted: August 19 2009 at 18:33 |
Finnforest wrote:
russellk wrote:
I rated The Final Cut with one star. Overwrought, uninspired, unsubtle, shout-or-whisper, hypocritical dross. But I think every prog lover should own it. |
Overwrought? I guess I don't understand the term, seems like their most down to earth title.
Uninspired? Hardly. Waters said that album meant more to him than most of the others, and I can hear that it does. Even Dave, in between his pouting, plays with great passion.
Shout/Whisper? Agree 100%. I hate that. Anytime I have to keep adjusting the volume, I could just strangle them.  |
Well, that was a summary of my review. Here's the whole thing. Probably the most negative review I've ever written. This record ought not to have been made. WATERS has already had his say ad nauseam about the war and the death of his father:
from 'Corporal Clegg' on 'A Saucerful of Secrets', barely an album has gone by without the obligatory war reminisce. But a
whole album of off-casts from 'The Wall' does nothing but establish that WATERS has far less to say than he thought. Here's what's wrong with this album. First, it's bereft of musical ideas, substituting the tedious, repetitive sudden shift
in dynamics from piano to fortissimo for the gradual build that made PINK FLOYD listenable. Soft, loud, soft, loud, ten times
a song. Here's a tip, ROGER, we've got the point. I can barely believe this gifted man has become a one-trick pony, but it's
true, as evidenced by this and his first solo album. Where's the subtlety in this? The enjoyment? Second, what music exists
is second-hand, having been culled from 'The Wall': throughout the album we hear motifs 'The Wall' reprised. Listen to 'The
Hero's Return' and the rhythm guitar straight from 'Another Brick'. Third, the singing. There isn't any. WATERS in turns
either whispers or shouts. Appalling. Fourth, it's just so damn obvious. How about some sound effects that make us think,
rather than bludgeoning us over the head? This feels like the musical equivalent of watching one of those naive History
Channel docos. I'm anti-war, but this is just so one-sided it's not credible. Fifth, and most damning, the rest of the band
are invisible. WRIGHT has been fired, replaced not by a keyboardist, but by an orchestra. GILMOUR is dusted off to do the odd
truncated solo and gets to sing for a few seconds. MASON slaps the skins like a metronome, bored with the proceedings. WATERS is a hypocrite, protesting the selfish actions of politicians ripping the world apart while acting like a tyrant and
dictator as he destroys his band. But we're well beyond hypocrisy here. This stuff is puerile. Infantile. Simplistic. His
megalomania is breathtaking: he designed the album cover, played many of the guitars (clearly GILMOUR wasn't good enough),
got drummers in to do some of MASON's parts, and even had his brother-in-law make a video of four tracks from the album. And
on the back cover he graciously admitted that PINK FLOYD helped him perform it. Staggeringly, he later admitted that 'there
was no band' (Mason, Inside Out). Why not? I'm not going to bother talking about the musical highlights, because there aren't any. The songs pass by in a melange of
simplistic orchestrations and soft/loud dichotomies. The album has a definite highlight, however, a moment that rises well
above the rest. It's the appalling moment when someone shouts 'Get your filthy hands off my desert!' I guess WATERS meant for
it to be funny, but the incipient racism is breathtaking, as though a desert couldn't possibly be worth fighting over. People
live in them, ROGER. To sum up, the album is an unmitigated stinker. And yes, I'm coloured by my deep disappointment on purchasing this record.
Others find merit in it, though I cannot. Look in the dictionary under 'self-indulgence' and you'll see a picture of ROGER
WATERS singing 'The Final Cut.'
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: August 19 2009 at 19:50 |
russellk wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
russellk wrote:
I rated The Final Cut with one star. Overwrought, uninspired, unsubtle, shout-or-whisper, hypocritical dross. But I think every prog lover should own it. |
Overwrought? I guess I don't understand the term, seems like their most down to earth title.
Uninspired? Hardly. Waters said that album meant more to him than most of the others, and I can hear that it does. Even Dave, in between his pouting, plays with great passion.
Shout/Whisper? Agree 100%. I hate that. Anytime I have to keep adjusting the volume, I could just strangle them.  |
Well, that was a summary of my review. Here's the whole thing. Probably the most negative review I've ever written.
This record ought not to have been made. WATERS has already had his say ad nauseam about the war and the death of his father: from 'Corporal Clegg' on 'A Saucerful of Secrets', barely an album has gone by without the obligatory war reminisce. But a whole album of off-casts from 'The Wall' does nothing but establish that WATERS has far less to say than he thought.
Here's what's wrong with this album. First, it's bereft of musical ideas, substituting the tedious, repetitive sudden shift in dynamics from piano to fortissimo for the gradual build that made PINK FLOYD listenable. Soft, loud, soft, loud, ten times a song. Here's a tip, ROGER, we've got the point. I can barely believe this gifted man has become a one-trick pony, but it's true, as evidenced by this and his first solo album. Where's the subtlety in this? The enjoyment? Second, what music exists is second-hand, having been culled from 'The Wall': throughout the album we hear motifs 'The Wall' reprised. Listen to 'The Hero's Return' and the rhythm guitar straight from 'Another Brick'. Third, the singing. There isn't any. WATERS in turns either whispers or shouts. Appalling. Fourth, it's just so damn obvious. How about some sound effects that make us think, rather than bludgeoning us over the head? This feels like the musical equivalent of watching one of those naive History Channel docos. I'm anti-war, but this is just so one-sided it's not credible. Fifth, and most damning, the rest of the band are invisible. WRIGHT has been fired, replaced not by a keyboardist, but by an orchestra. GILMOUR is dusted off to do the odd truncated solo and gets to sing for a few seconds. MASON slaps the skins like a metronome, bored with the proceedings.
WATERS is a hypocrite, protesting the selfish actions of politicians ripping the world apart while acting like a tyrant and dictator as he destroys his band. But we're well beyond hypocrisy here. This stuff is puerile. Infantile. Simplistic. His megalomania is breathtaking: he designed the album cover, played many of the guitars (clearly GILMOUR wasn't good enough), got drummers in to do some of MASON's parts, and even had his brother-in-law make a video of four tracks from the album. And on the back cover he graciously admitted that PINK FLOYD helped him perform it. Staggeringly, he later admitted that 'there was no band' (Mason, Inside Out). Why not?
I'm not going to bother talking about the musical highlights, because there aren't any. The songs pass by in a melange of simplistic orchestrations and soft/loud dichotomies. The album has a definite highlight, however, a moment that rises well above the rest. It's the appalling moment when someone shouts 'Get your filthy hands off my desert!' I guess WATERS meant for it to be funny, but the incipient racism is breathtaking, as though a desert couldn't possibly be worth fighting over. People live in them, ROGER.
To sum up, the album is an unmitigated stinker. And yes, I'm coloured by my deep disappointment on purchasing this record. Others find merit in it, though I cannot. Look in the dictionary under 'self-indulgence' and you'll see a picture of ROGER WATERS singing 'The Final Cut.'
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Great review loved that
i was not so eloquent with this review
Heres mine: (prepares for a flaming)
The Final Cut
This is Pink Floyds worst album...
It is in essence the 'Love Beach' of Emerson Lake and Palmer.
It is 'The Wall' without the bricks.
A shocker.
The tracks are forgettable and act as more a solo project for Waters than a band effort.
Highlights? The Post War Dream - OK The Hero's Return - if youre in the mood The Gunners Dream - OK Get Your Filthy Hands Off My Desert - curious The Fletcher Memorial Home - OK Not Now John - best track but not much better than the aforementioned tracks.
Nothing more needs to be said. I wont waste my time with this any further. Just avoid this. It contaminates Pink Floyd's catalogue.
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A Person
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Posted: August 19 2009 at 22:24 |
Jim Garten wrote:
Don't see The Final Cut as Pink Floyd's worst album, see it more as a Roger Waters solo album.
I like it lots, so there  |
seconded. I saw David Gilmour's About Face at Walmart once and had to buy it. I have listened to it for a grand total of two times.
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: August 19 2009 at 22:38 |
A Person wrote:
Jim Garten wrote:
Don't see The Final Cut as Pink Floyd's worst album, see it more as a Roger Waters solo album.
I like it lots, so there  |
seconded. I saw David Gilmour's About Face at Walmart once and had to buy it. I have listened to it for a grand total of two times.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: August 20 2009 at 06:47 |
BaldJean wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
See, as soon as you start a thread like this you will find people that actually like what you despise. So to offend some people for sure, I'm going to have to add this:

Lots of people rave about it. It just never really clicked with me. Still have it in my collection though.
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one of my favorite albums. the interplay between Hillage and Stewart is just great, the rhythm section is excellent too, and every odd rhythm up to 13/8 can be found on it. and the songs are good too. there are certainly better singers around than Hillage or Greenwood, but that detail bothers me in the least
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Always worth quoting my original post just for the album cover art. I think the reason why this album hasn't wowed me, and I've listened to it more than a few times over the years, is that I was expecting something along the lines of One Of A Kind, which was my introduction to Dave Stewart. I do like National Health, though. Now for another one I keep but would recommend people stay away from: 
Arrggghhh.  I think the main reason I keep albums like these in my collection and listen to them on rotation is just for the chance that one day they might just click with me.
Edited by Slartibartfast - August 20 2009 at 06:49
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: August 20 2009 at 21:37 |
I had heard of Trout Mask Replica - it appeared in album cover anthology book
The sound is perhaps as bad as the cover. What are the tracks on it that we are to stay away from?
btw I thought of another terrible prog album recommended by Classic Rock Presents Prog issue 1
I hated it! It wasnt even prog - it sounded like Blur or some grunge punk unit - i sent it back to the store and had it replaced with a great album by Ayreon. Yet the magazine said its a masterpiece!!!!! On what level can it be termed a masterpiece??? Please explain.
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Tsevir Leirbag
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Posted: August 20 2009 at 22:00 |
I know some people will hate me.... 4 or 5  to most of the DT albums.
Epignosis wrote:
And...
The Final Cut is amazing.
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Les mains, les pieds balancés
Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers,
Un marin mort,
Il dormira
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npjnpj
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Posted: August 21 2009 at 03:53 |
Hey, if you don't like the quiet-loud changes, you should absolutely hate early King Crimson.
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progkidjoel
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Posted: August 21 2009 at 04:29 |
Tsevir Leirbag wrote:
I know some people will hate me.... 4 or 5  to most of the DT albums.
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Good to hear someone say it - I've disliked everything they released since AWAKE...
-Joel
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Any Colour You Like
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Posted: August 21 2009 at 04:35 |
Touche. And, The Final Cut is decidedly dodgy. This is coming from a huge Waters and PF fanboy.
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clarke2001
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Posted: August 21 2009 at 05:21 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
See, as soon as you start a thread like this you will find people that actually like what you despise. So to offend some people for sure, I'm going to have to add this:

Lots of people rave about it. It just never really clicked with me. Still have it in my collection though.
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRGGHHH!!! MY DESERT ISLAND RECORD!!! I'm not offended. I'm upset!
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clarke2001
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Posted: August 21 2009 at 05:29 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Now for another one I keep but would recommend people stay away from:

Arrggghhh.  I think the main reason I keep albums like these in my collection and listen to them on rotation is just for the chance that one day they might just click with me.
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AAAAAAA!!! My all-time favourite avant record!!! AAAAAA!!! Did you saw what he just posted? Did you saw what he just posted twice?!? Did you folks?!?Enough, I'm out. I'll be in 'Welcome Newbies' section.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: August 21 2009 at 06:54 |
AAAAAA!!!!  Hey, in the end I'll never knock anyone for liking what they like even if I don't. For the record, those two are in my collection still and so they show up in rotation. Maybe one day they will work for me.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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J-Man
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Posted: August 21 2009 at 08:17 |
Wow. I see this is a very optimistic thread  Also stay away from Yes' Open Your Eyes. I've never heard such crap in my whole life
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Green Shield Stamp
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Posted: August 21 2009 at 08:36 |
I would put 'The Final Cut' in the top 5 of Floyd albums of all time - so, it is definitely not one to avoid. In many ways I think of it as 'The Wall' part 2.
Ones to avoid:
QE2 and Islands by Mike Oldfield
Drama by Yes
Rhapsodies by Rick Wakeman
i by Patrick Moraz
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