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lazland ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Online Points: 13867 |
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Interesting one.
I love Marillion post Fish and also Genesis post Gabriel. As far as Waters is concerned, the two LPs Gilmour did with Floyd pale in comparison with the Waters era, but at least MLOR had On The Turning Away, which is a great track. My vote goes to Anderson leaving Yes. I am absolutely in a minority, I know, as regards Drama, which I can't stand, and as for the tribute band singer...Best I leave no comment. Of course, Robert leaving Epignosis would be the killer ![]() |
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someone_else ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: May 02 2008 Location: Going Bananas Status: Offline Points: 24810 |
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All of these were leaders or front ends, but not sole rulers of these bands.
I think that Robert Fripp leaving King Crimson or Ian Anderson leaving Jethro Tull would come closer to a fatal blow.
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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From this list it's Gabriel leaving Genesis. I was in shock at the time as I was just getting into Genesis for about a year. As it happens I loved Trick.
Worse than this and should be on the list imo is Hackett leaving Genesis.
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octopus-4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl,Neo & Post/Math Teams Joined: October 31 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 14869 |
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Just let me say that more than Waters leaving Pink Floyd it was Pink Floyd leaving Waters, really.
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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yanch ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 03 2010 Location: Lowell, MA Status: Offline Points: 3247 |
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Gabriel leaving Genesis from this group.
I agree with both someone_else's comment that Fripp leaving King Crimson or Ian Anderson leaving Tull would be closer to fatal blows. They are the real driving forces and composers for KC and JT. Also, Snow Dog's mention that Hackett's departure from Genesis should be included! Hackett's departure had a huge impact on where Genesis headed musically.
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Tull Freak 94 ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: November 20 2009 Status: Offline Points: 25 |
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Hackett leaving Genesis had a worse lasting impact than Gabriel leaving Genesis
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toroddfuglesteg ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Retired Joined: March 04 2008 Location: Retirement Home Status: Offline Points: 3658 |
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NO !!!!!!!!!!!!! NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't leave Epignosis, Robert !!!!!!!!! We can't let Viking Invasion, your slightly musically challenged moggy (cat) do the drums, guitars and bass alone. Please, please, please don't leave Epignosis !!! Edited by toroddfuglesteg - September 09 2010 at 06:47 |
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Tull Freak 94 ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: November 20 2009 Status: Offline Points: 25 |
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Hackett leaving Genesis had a worse lasting impact than Gabriel leaving Genesis
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Tull Freak 94 ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: November 20 2009 Status: Offline Points: 25 |
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Why the Hell do my posts always post twice!?!
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fuxi ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2488 |
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None of the above.
When Gabriel left Genesis, for example, I was really looking forward to his solo career. And I was not disappointed. But Patrick Moraz leaving Yes - now THAT was a shocker! I knew right from the start the band would never again record anything as adventurous as RELAYER. As a solo recording artist, by 1976 good old Rick had run out of steam. (About half of NO EARTHLY CONNECTION was good, just a few tracks on CRIMINAL RECORD still rocked, RHAPSODIES was a total disaster.) So I just knew he wouldn't contribute anything worthwile to Yes's career. Just compare Moraz' superb solos on 'Sound Chaser' and 'To Be Over' with the cheesy synths you hear on 'Wondrous Stories' or 'Don't Kill the Whale'. (And no, Rick's playing on 'Awaken' never really impressed me either!) So: Moraz' departure really meant the end of Yes's glory days. Strange to think that, after THE STORY OF I, our Patrick never really made a decent solo album himself... Did Yes ruin him, in the same way that his departure ruined Yes? ![]() |
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I didn't make myself clear- sorry. What I mean by that is this: Genesis went pop not long after Gabriel left. But so did Gabriel. Neither was as good as their sum. My point here being that even if Gabriel had stayed in Genesis, I believe they would have become a pop band anyway. Anderson leaving Yes was not a big deal (Drama is wonderful) and Yes made some amazing albums when he returned. Waters and Pink Floyd...I personally think Pink Floyd's later output is mostly very good. I mean, I don't get this. People complain about how horrible The Final Cut is, which is pretty much all self-indulgent Roger Waters, and then complain that Waters wasn't in Pink Floyd after that! How does that make any sense? ![]() |
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For me the Final Cut is a good album, even if not their best, but A Momentary Leapse of Reason is more or less on the same level. It features best music and worse lyrics, but the two make the pair. The Division Bell is for me a masterpiece so I wouldn't complain so much. What people complains is that Roger Waters' musical genius was missed BEFORE The Final Cut. In the Wall he is more concentrated on the concept and on the lyrics, but the better parts are those co-written with Gilmour. I think Waters left Pink Floyd after Animals. This is the sense.
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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fuxi ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2488 |
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Your first statement is debatable. In many ways, TRICK OF THE TAIL is as good as earlier Genesis albums, although inevitably that strange sense of menace, mystery and majesty is missing! Similarly, tracks like "Here Comes the Flood" or "No Self-Control" are as interesting as anything Genesis ever did. Your second statement may be more to the point: one could easily imagine a more commercial Genesis-WITH-Gabriel releasing something like "Sledgehammer", alas... Edited by fuxi - September 09 2010 at 09:20 |
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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Waters leaving Floyd. They were just a bit dull after he left.
I thought Gabriel leaving Genesis would top this poll. Although Gabriel going was a big loss to the band, I think they 'grew up fast' and for afew years at least were actually a better band. Sorry, I know that's a contraversial view.. ![]() |
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20586 |
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a few more candidates:
Hackett leaving Genesis
Hodgson leaving Supertramp
Wyatt leaving Soft Machine
and finally ....
Godley & Creme leaving 10CC
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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Indeed, Hacket leaving was a bigger loss to Genesis than Gabriel going imo. |
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Alberto Muñoz ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 26 2006 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 3577 |
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Byron Leaving UH.
Blackmore Leaving DP
Lemmy leaving Hawkwind.
Hensley leaving UH.
Bruford leaving Yes.
Bardens leaving Camel.
Gillan and Glover leaving DP.
Halford leaving JP.
Dicksinson Leaving IM
Hansen Leaving Helloween.
Neil leaving MC
and many many more... as you see the change of crucial members not always ends a band.
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20586 |
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A few of these were firings, though.
Not like they left on their own will.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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presdoug ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 24 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 8831 |
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Helmut Koellen leaving Triumvirat-the band never really recovered
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Lozlan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 09 2009 Location: New Mexico Status: Offline Points: 536 |
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From this list, I can say Gabriel with very little deliberation. The horrors that Phil Collins went on to create with that vehicle make my physically ill.
As for the Waters departure...I've always thought this was drastically over-emphasized. Given, I grew up on The Division Bell, but even so I think it's a fantastic, amazing album. Momentary Lapse less so, but then that was really just a Gilmour solo effort dressed up in the Floyd name. If I have to choose between The Final Cut (gag me with a spoon) and Division Bell...not even a contest. |
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