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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2011 at 11:59
I'm not sure its the easiest listen for a Tull album I ever heard but it is worth the effort.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2011 at 12:29
Great album, my favorite Tull, and among my favorite prog albums period.

I'm glad to see so many here give it high praise.  Not so in the classic-rock-fan world, where I do some moonlighting.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2011 at 22:19

I stand by my review of it.  It is so bad that, as mentioned in the review, I didn't buy another Tull album for 30 years.  (I know, I know, my loss.)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2011 at 00:02
Great album, specially live




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2011 at 02:58
Starts out brilliantly and then loses initiative in the middle.  Similar story in the second half.  I think TAAB sort of has the same problem but is much tighter and imo better at its best moments than those of APP. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2011 at 03:26
i find APP awesome. Always liked it. Though TAAB is my favourite prog album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2011 at 04:01
Passion Play is a great album. Everybody should learn to enjoy the story of the hair loss on my testicles, someone once said..

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2011 at 18:31
The wonderful thing about A Passion Play? Pompous NY critics and alleged "deans of rock" like Robert Christgau savaged the album, and guess what? It went to #1 in the U.S. without the aid of a single, significant airplay, or critical acclaim. The APP album is a bit of audacity from a band that always thumbed their noses at critics -- and bless them for it! Currently, in these days of musical sterility and commercial trash (when an album like  APP would not even be released by a major label) there should be far more thumbing-of-noses.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2011 at 19:11
It's terrible terrible terribly good.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2011 at 09:59
I've had a very complicated, drawn-out relationship with APP. It was the first Tull record I heard (courtesy of an uncle of mine who actually took me to my first Tull concert), and I really don't think it was the most amazing place to start.  I was young and stupid and very easily intimidated; as a result I didn't formally get into Tull until several years later.  And even after all this time, APP has remained one of those albums that I very rarely, if ever, listen to.

This is set to change, however.  I picked up a vinyl copy about a month ago, tossed in on the turntable, and had a go.  It's an incredible album, albeit one whose pace I occasionally find frustrating (inserting cutesy animal fables is perhaps not as advisable as Ian Anderson seems to believe).  However, I do feel that it's burdened beneath a patina of self-consciousness. Whereas TaaB was a send-up of a then-popular genre, APP takes itself deadly seriously in places, which can seem insufferable (to me, anyway). 

I will say that I'm a complete addict of the Nightcap recordings (multitudinous references to urination and defecation aside), and that I listen to these with far more regularity.  But APP is like nothing else.  Ambiguous praise, perhaps, but it definitely deserves a 4+ rating on ye olde archives.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2011 at 14:37
Originally posted by daslaf daslaf wrote:

Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

The first half of Passion Play is the proggiest Tull I know of, and my favorite. The second half is....not my favorite.

I have to agree, some musical ideas in the second half, especially in the transitions from one musical idea to the other, are not that brilliant as in the first half... and the last 4-5 minutes are just there cause I think Ian had to end the story, nevertheless it's still a brilliant album.

These are both very good points, and I can agree (except "The Foot of Our Stairs" part of the second half seems as good to me as any part of the first half); but I can also forgive these shortcomings in light of some of the still-brilliant lyrics, an extremely short rewriting and recording window, and at least an effort to wrap up the theme without using a deus ex machina. My two favorite albums from Yes and Genesis,  which these bands took months to write/produce, don't manage to accomplish this in over eighty minutes. This is still my favorite progressive rock album, or concept album in general, for music, lyrics, and successfully navigating a theme.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2011 at 20:10
If there's a place APP should get some love, it's here on a prog we site. It's not as popular as TAAB, and it doesn't flow nicely as many other Tull's albums do. However some musical moments are absolutely stunning, incredibly complex, there are carefully crafted recurring themes, saxophone mayhems, calculated cacophony, time measures that are next-to-impossible to count, bizarre synth sounds. I like it a lot.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2011 at 20:16
A Passion Play is one of those albums that is finally getting the respect it deserves, thanks to the internet
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2011 at 20:33
After all, what other album could contain the delightful lyric...
 
"And your little sister's immaculate virginity wings away on the bony shoulders of a young horse named George, who stole surreptitiously into her geography revision (the examing body examined her body!)."
 
That, and it's an album based on medieval morality plays, except the afterlife in this case is run by cynical bureacrats.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2011 at 16:39
I thought it was decent.  Not as bad as some people say, but not anything that I would listen to regularly.  Similar to TAAB, except more dark and macabre.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2011 at 19:57
I like "Thick As A Brick" much more, but "APP" is a great album too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2011 at 18:11
Anything Ian Anderson does is bound to be interesting at least. But of course, some experiments don't work as they should. And one of the troubles of Ian running a tight ship is that there's no one else to tell the Emperor when he has no clothes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2011 at 17:27
I love this album though not easy listening at first spins only the ones who don't realy know JT think it's bad and i guess most of them didn't even listen to it from start to finish
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2011 at 21:44
The only thing that threw me off when I first heard it was the story in the middle.  It just odd.  Not say that it is bad, just odd, and where would progressive rock be if it wasn't odd?  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2011 at 17:31
It's just the best prog album ever.
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