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himtroy 
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 Posted: February 02 2011 at 22:37 |
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I don't really see how they sound dated. Analog synths sound so full, whereas many digital synths sound VERY thin and too video game like. I'll take a Moog over a digital synth tone any day.
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himtroy
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Posted: February 02 2011 at 22:40 |
 Anthony H. wrote:
If "dated" means "sex in my ears", then yes.
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This.
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KoS
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Posted: February 02 2011 at 22:48 |
Analog synths are sampled a lot in pop and rap. so no.
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moshkito
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Posted: February 03 2011 at 15:55 |
clarke2001 wrote:
Synths are endless fun!
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I'm still not tired of playing around with the Jupiter 8v software ... and have been mixing it up with other things ... yeah ... endless fun is about the only word for it and then some ... dammn it ... I have to go to work in the morning!
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verslibre
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Posted: February 03 2011 at 18:58 |
The Quiet One wrote:
But then, I go and read some reviews in Amazon by various jazz fusion bands, and saying that most of the synths are "dated". I really can't hear that. |
Neither do I. These "critics" on Amazon are generally a clueless lot. 
zravkapt wrote:
Analog synths are nowhere near as dated as the digital synths that were popular in the 1980s. |
Exactamundo. Sounds like those of the Clav, Fender Rhodes, deep Moog bass, etc., are timeless, unlike DX bass, which I now associate with Seinfeld more than anything.
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clarke2001
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Posted: February 03 2011 at 19:15 |
I can forgive DX everything...except that awful, awful crystal-glassy electric 'Rhodes' piano. 
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stonebeard
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Posted: February 03 2011 at 19:30 |
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I dislike the idea of trying to recreate other instruments with a synthesizer. Not facsimiles used for a similar texture in a composition, mind you, but legitimately trying to recreate a piano. I guess it's a cool challenge to try to get it right, but the synth has so many possibilities for for creating new and exciting textures, with weird filters and effects. Sometimes it can work out right. Bass textures in particular can get quite good and useful. Even still I find a bass sound most naturally synthesized to be something easily and happily distinguished as a synthesizer (fat Moog lines, etc.).
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Posted: February 03 2011 at 20:31 |
I want to start a Fairlight CMI fan club, by the lack of God I love those things....  I will never have one / play one / see one, but what's cooler than corny distorted sampling? Greatest . Synthesizer . Ever And yes, Zee's Identity does Rock, and you can't persuade me otherwise Dave Harris: Communicaaation's Mis-sing, In Every Thing I Sa-ay, Rick Wright: WAH wah waaah WAAAH!!!!! Diong Diong, Webit Wibit!!!
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Prog_Traveller
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Posted: February 04 2011 at 01:21 |
rogerthat wrote:
Prog_Traveller wrote:
This reminds me of something that I find very ironic and inconsistent among prog fans. A lot of prog fans seem to hate neo prog because it sounds regressive and not progressive(in the literal sense)and yet many of these bands use digital keyboards. Meanwhile many of these same prog fans prefer analog keyboards in their prog(which were used in the seventies). I'm sorry but you can't have it both ways. You criticize neo for being retro and yet the so called real prog bands you like use analog keyboards. That doesn't make sense to me.
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Well, because using digital keyboards or updating equipment per se does not make the music progressive? I think preferring a certain aesthetic is not regressive in itself but I would agree that people often claim not to like the music if it doesn't have those 70s sounds, which is a contradictory stance.
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You are right, just using updated equipment in itself does not make the music progressive. But then that opens up the whole can of worms which is "what is prog?" Then again can it be truly progressive if it is using the old equipment? If prog is suppose to be progressive then everything about it should be. That was my point. I personally don't care because I'm not too caught up in the labels. I like a certain sound too and yes I do tend to prefer the sound of the analog synths. I think one reason a lot of prog fans don't like neo prog is because they tend to use digital synths.
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boo boo
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Posted: February 04 2011 at 01:40 |
I've always said that a prog fan complaining about synths sounding dated is like a metalhead complaining about music being too aggressive.
I frankly don't care if it's dated or not, most of the things I like ARE considered very dated, I'm not too interested in modern things.
All I know is that I love the sound of synths. Moog and Arp especially. I'm not as fond of modern software synthesizers that find their way in a lot of contemporary pop and rap music. I'm puzzled as to why people call the Moog cheesy while listening to crappy pop music riddled with Yamaha Software Synths.
Edited by boo boo - February 12 2011 at 01:49
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Cactus Choir
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Posted: February 04 2011 at 08:22 |
Definitely an analog lover. My ears are accustomed to the sound which combines a pleasing rough-edged quality with a certain amount of warmth and doesn't seem as clinical as a lot of newer synth sounds. It's obviously in the ear of the beholder as I played something to my younger, indie loving sister the other day that I thought had a corking analog synth sound. She started laughing and said it sounded like the soundtrack to some cheesey 70s cop show. 
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thehallway
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Posted: February 04 2011 at 10:23 |
The Moog legacy continues: even the newest versions of Cubase have synth patches entitled "Lucky Man".......
I agree about monophonic sometimes being useful too..... you can hold down one note and play other ones, meaning the first note will sound in between them (basically making you sound like you can play twice as fast as before!) Some early 90's synth sounds literally make me squirm in my chair............
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topographicbroadways
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Posted: February 04 2011 at 10:30 |
thehallway wrote:
The Moog legacy continues: even the newest versions of Cubase have synth patches entitled "Lucky Man".......
I agree about monophonic sometimes being useful too..... you can hold down one note and play other ones, meaning the first note will sound in between them (basically making you sound like you can play twice as fast as before!) Some early 90's synth sounds literally make me squirm in my chair............ |
theres a free synth patch in Logicpro called "Emerson square" and one of the protools synths has patches like "Moogish lead" "minotaurus". I just love the fact that all these prog references and tools are hiding in plain site 
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thehallway
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Posted: February 04 2011 at 10:55 |
topographicbroadways wrote:
thehallway wrote:
The Moog legacy continues: even the newest versions of Cubase have synth patches entitled "Lucky Man".......
I agree about monophonic sometimes being useful too..... you can hold down one note and play other ones, meaning the first note will sound in between them (basically making you sound like you can play twice as fast as before!) Some early 90's synth sounds literally make me squirm in my chair............ |
theres a free synth patch in Logicpro called "Emerson square" and one of the protools synths has patches like "Moogish lead" "minotaurus". I just love the fact that all these prog references and tools are hiding in plain site |
Is that pun some kind of simultaneous dig at Prog Archives? Or did you mispell?
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topographicbroadways
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Posted: February 04 2011 at 11:32 |
thehallway wrote:
topographicbroadways wrote:
thehallway wrote:
The Moog legacy continues: even the newest versions of Cubase have synth patches entitled "Lucky Man".......
I agree about monophonic sometimes being useful too..... you can hold down one note and play other ones, meaning the first note will sound in between them (basically making you sound like you can play twice as fast as before!) Some early 90's synth sounds literally make me squirm in my chair............ |
theres a free synth patch in Logicpro called "Emerson square" and one of the protools synths has patches like "Moogish lead" "minotaurus". I just love the fact that all these prog references and tools are hiding in plain site |
Is that pun some kind of simultaneous dig at Prog Archives? Or did you mispell? |
i would love to take credit for it as a great piece of wit, but i did misspell 
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moshkito
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Posted: February 04 2011 at 13:48 |
stonebeard wrote:
I dislike the idea of trying to recreate other instruments with a synthesizer. Not facsimiles used for a similar texture in a composition, mind you, but legitimately trying to recreate a piano. I guess it's a cool challenge to try to get it right, but the synth has so many possibilities for for creating new and exciting textures, with weird filters and effects. Sometimes it can work out right. Bass textures in particular can get quite good and useful. Even still I find a bass sound most naturally synthesized to be something easily and happily distinguished as a synthesizer (fat Moog lines, etc.). |
Yeah ... but by the time that you run some of Trilian though one of those Galen-Kruger stacks ... and all of a sudden, you don't know the difference ... damn ... Stanley Clarke never sounded that good!
Technology changes and improves and gets better with time. The main difference, is that the old "analog synths" had sounds, that no other instrument could do ... and that is going to be its legacy and the main reason why the instrument will not go away.
The hard part, though, is that almost all synthesizers sold in music stores are total crap and even in the case here in Vancouver, the guy did not know what "analog" was ... I think he did, but he had no idea that music existed using it, or what it really was! That's how bad he sounded!
I would say that what hurt synths the most in those days, was that they were trying to replace the bass (first -- which led to sequencers according to Tangerine Dream and Roland), and then, almost at the same time, to replace the strings, or add strings to other music, most of which would be considered popular music -- since most popular music could not afford a string section for their work in order to delineate their thoughts and wishes.
But, sooner or later, it will mean that you and I can see Turandot done by synthesizers and get rid of some of the egos that usually plague so many of those operas, and spend more time on the staging and details to take the card board attitudes out, and ... voila ... as good as a rock opera and then some ... and with the synthesizer you will be able to get louder and lower and have a greater flexibility on the presentation of the music in order to accentuate the details better ... which is very difficult to do when you are dealing with 100 stooges!
It goes both ways ... but some purists, and I ain't no weergeen, only those old sounds and the moving of the LFO knobs (for example) make it an instrument ... and yeah ... I agree to an extent ... but let's not get silly and say that other work was not done that is also very good. People like Vangelis, Sakamoto, Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze, were absolutely massive in the development of these instruments ... and you ought to research Edgar Froese's stories about the echo tapes and other adventures! I'm just hoping that he writes them down before he leaves us, because the stories are priceless ... albeit there is a perception that he is not bringing his kittykat side out, and ...
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The Willow Farmer
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Posted: February 05 2011 at 20:10 |
Good music never sounds dated....NEVER. Well, except the good music that does sound dated.
Synths are always cool, except when they don't.
I make alot of sense, unless i make none.
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verslibre
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Posted: February 10 2011 at 22:59 |
clarke2001 wrote:
I can forgive DX everything...except that awful, awful crystal-glassy electric 'Rhodes' piano. |
Ah, yes. The "Doogie Howser" DX Rhodes!
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thellama73
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Posted: February 11 2011 at 08:27 |
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Does the Hammond Organ sound dated? It doesn't really exist anymore in its original form, and few modern bands incorporate the sound, but I don't think it sounds dated at all. Likewise, I don't think the Moog is dated, although I can agree that at times the ARP and Mellotron can sound dated, not that that's a bad thing.
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moshkito
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Posted: February 11 2011 at 13:46 |
The Willow Farmer wrote:
Good music never sounds dated....NEVER. Well, except the good music that does sound dated.
Synths are always cool, except when they don't.
I make alot of sense, unless i make none.
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I like saying that none of us are ever complaining about Mozart's Violin Concertos. ... so sorry Petrucci that we have to trash some stuff you do ... it's undeserved!
Edited by moshkito - February 11 2011 at 13:46
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